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Haber Merkezi<\/strong> Aliza Marcus, T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de ve d\u00fcnyada PKK\u2019y\u0131 en iyi bilen ve yorumlayan isimlerden biri olarak \u00f6ne \u00e7\u0131k\u0131yor. \u00a01990\u2019l\u0131 y\u0131llar\u0131n ba\u015f\u0131nda T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de gazetecilik yaparken K\u00fcrt sorunu \u00fczerine yo\u011funla\u015fmaya ba\u015flayan Marcus\u2019un 2007\u2019de yay\u0131mlanan \u2018Kan ve \u0130nan\u00e7\u2019 isimli kitab\u0131 PKK \u00fczerine yap\u0131lan en derinlikli \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalardan biri olarak de\u011ferlendiriliyor.<\/p>\n \u00c7\u00f6z\u00fcm s\u00fcreciyle ilgili de\u011ferlendirmelerde bulunan Marcus, \u201c(Ba\u015fbakan Recep Tayyip) Erdo\u011fan\u2019\u0131n \u00f6n\u00fcnde iki se\u00e7enek var; ya demokratikle\u015fme yoluyla bu meseleyi \u00e7\u00f6zecek ya da G\u00fcneydo\u011fu\u2019yu K\u00fcrtlere b\u0131rakacak\u201d dedi.<\/p>\n Cansu \u00c7aml\u0131bel\u2019in Aliza Marcus ile yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131, H\u00fcrriyet gazetesinde yay\u0131mlanan r\u00f6portaj\u0131n bir k\u0131sm\u0131 \u015f\u00f6yle:<\/p>\n -Kandil ne istiyor?<\/strong><\/p>\n – Bir \u00e7e\u015fit \u00f6zerklik istiyorlar. Ama Erdo\u011fan\u2019\u0131n ne istedi\u011fi konusunda \u015f\u00fcphe i\u00e7indeler. \u201cAcaba Oslo\u2019da oldu\u011fu gibi yine bize oyun mu oynan\u0131yor\u201d diye sorguluyorlar. PKK\u2019ya g\u00f6re Oslo, h\u00fck\u00fcmetin se\u00e7imler \u00f6ncesinde \u00e7at\u0131\u015fmay\u0131 durdurmak i\u00e7in kurgulad\u0131\u011f\u0131 bir oyundu. Zaten oradan bir \u015fey \u00e7\u0131kmayaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131 g\u00f6r\u00fcnce de PKK sava\u015fa geri d\u00f6nd\u00fc.<\/p>\n -15 y\u0131ld\u0131r \u0130mral\u0131\u2019da olan \u00d6calan ile o s\u00fcrenin b\u00fcy\u00fck b\u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fcn\u00fc sava\u015farak ge\u00e7iren PKK\u2019n\u0131n ili\u015fkisi bug\u00fcn nas\u0131l bir ili\u015fkidir?<\/p>\n – PKK olmadan \u00d6calan hi\u00e7 kimsedir. \u00d6calan\u2019\u0131n kendi me\u015fruiyeti i\u00e7in Kandil\u2019e ihtiyac\u0131 var. Kandil\u2019in de \u00d6calan\u2019a ihtiyac\u0131 var, \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc herkesin sayg\u0131 duydu\u011fu adam o. \u0130ki taraf\u0131n da birbirine ihtiyac\u0131 olmas\u0131 bir denge yarat\u0131yor. \u00d6calan \u00e7\u0131k\u0131p yar\u0131n \u201cPKK sava\u015f\u0131 tamamen durdursun. Bug\u00fcne kadarki kazan\u0131mlar\u0131m\u0131zla mutlu olal\u0131m\u201d dese bunun bir kar\u015f\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131 olmayaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131 biliyor. \u0130ki taraf da birbirinin s\u0131n\u0131rlar\u0131n\u0131 \u00e7ok iyi biliyor.<\/p>\n -Devlet de bu s\u0131n\u0131rlar\u0131 bilerek strateji kurmuyor mudur zaten?<\/strong><\/p>\n – Ben AKP\u2019nin sadece \u00d6calan ile bir \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcme ula\u015famayacaklar\u0131n\u0131 tam olarak anlad\u0131\u011f\u0131 kanaatinde de\u011filim. Bug\u00fcn kim kiminle m\u00fczakere ediyor belli de\u011fil. AKP, PKK ile mi m\u00fczakere ediyor, yoksa \u00d6calan Kandil\u2019le mi? \u00c7\u00f6z\u00fcm i\u00e7in Kandil\u2019e ihtiya\u00e7lar\u0131 var. E\u011fer \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcm istiyorlarsa Kandil\u2019le de do\u011frudan g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmeleri gerekiyor, BDP\u2019yi i\u015fin ger\u00e7ek bir par\u00e7as\u0131 haline getirmeleri gerekiyor. PKK\u2019ya g\u00f6re bug\u00fcn ortada hen\u00fcz bar\u0131\u015f da yok, bir s\u00fcre\u00e7 de yok. Ama kimse \u00e7\u0131k\u0131p bunlar\u0131 s\u00f6ylemiyor, \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc i\u015fin ciddiyetinin fark\u0131ndalar ve bozan taraf olmak istemiyorlar.<\/p>\n Yerel se\u00e7imlere kadar vakti var<\/strong><\/p>\n -E\u011fer dedi\u011finiz gibi PKK cephesinde bu kadar \u00e7ok soru i\u015fareti varsa, bu \u00e7at\u0131\u015fmas\u0131zl\u0131k hali ne kadar s\u00fcrd\u00fcr\u00fclebilir?<\/strong><\/p>\n – Bana kal\u0131rsa \u00f6n\u00fcm\u00fczdeki yerel se\u00e7imlerin sonuna kadar vaktimiz var. Bug\u00fcn PKK hem i\u015fi bozan taraf olmamak ad\u0131na hem de Rojava ile me\u015fgul oldu\u011fu i\u00e7in sava\u015fmak istemiyor. Bir s\u00fcre sonra k\u0131\u015f gelecek, zaten sava\u015famayacaklar. Yerel se\u00e7imlere kadar b\u00f6yle gider. Ama e\u011fer yerel se\u00e7imlerin sonunda da T\u00fcrkiye h\u00e2l\u00e2 demokratikle\u015fme, genel af, bir t\u00fcr yerel \u00f6zerklik gibi meselelerde a\u00e7\u0131l\u0131m sa\u011flamam\u0131\u015f olursa PKK sava\u015fa d\u00f6nmeyi d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnebilir. Bu oyundaki tek joker Rojava\u2019daki K\u00fcrtlerin \u00f6zerklik ilan\u0131 olabilir ki bu sand\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131n aksine asl\u0131nda T\u00fcrkiye\u2019ye zaman kazand\u0131rabilir. Ama bu resimde beni en \u00e7ok korkutan TAK gibi bir grubun \u00e7\u0131k\u0131p sava\u015fmaya ba\u015flamas\u0131, PKK\u2019n\u0131n bir noktada TAK\u2019\u0131 kullanmaya ba\u015flamas\u0131. \u0130\u015fte o nedenle de T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin 2014 ilkbahar\u0131na kadar bir karar vermesi gerekti\u011fini d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum. Erdo\u011fan gibi g\u00fc\u00e7l\u00fc ve halk\u0131n deste\u011fine sahip bir lider bunu yapabilir.<\/p>\n Rojava me\u015fruiyet zemini sa\u011flad\u0131<\/strong><\/p>\n -Suriye\u2019nin kuzeyinde PYD\u2019nin Nusra Cephesi\u2019ne kar\u015f\u0131 kazand\u0131\u011f\u0131 s\u0131n\u0131r m\u00fccadelesi T\u00fcrkiye\u2019deki s\u00fcreci nas\u0131l etkileyecek?<\/p>\n – Rojova her \u015feyi de\u011fi\u015ftirdi. Her \u015feyden \u00f6nce PKK i\u00e7in yeni bir me\u015fruiyet zemini sa\u011flad\u0131. Evet PYD resmen PKK\u2019n\u0131n bir par\u00e7as\u0131 de\u011fil ama \u00e7ok yak\u0131n bir ili\u015fkileri var. Sava\u015f\u00e7\u0131lar\u0131n \u00e7o\u011fu ayn\u0131. PKK, ta 80\u2019lerden 90\u2019lardan beri Rojava i\u00e7in \u00e7ok \u00e7al\u0131\u015ft\u0131. Ama bug\u00fcn b\u00fct\u00fcn d\u00fcnya Suriye\u2019deki K\u00fcrtlerle \u00e7ok ilgili, \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc Esad\u2019a ve El Kaide\u2019ye kar\u015f\u0131 sava\u015f kazanan bir PYD var. PYD\u2019nin bu anlamda kazand\u0131\u011f\u0131 uluslararas\u0131 sayg\u0131 PKK\u2019ya da yaz\u0131yor. \u0130\u015fte bu Erdo\u011fan a\u00e7\u0131s\u0131ndan \u00e7ok hassas bir nokta, \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc bug\u00fcne kadar b\u00fct\u00fcn d\u00fcnyay\u0131 PKK\u2019n\u0131n bir ter\u00f6r \u00f6rg\u00fct\u00fc oldu\u011funa ikna etmi\u015fti. Ancak bug\u00fcn baz\u0131 \u00e7evreler PYD\u2019ye bakarak, \u2018Belki PKK da ter\u00f6r listelerinden \u00e7\u0131kar\u0131lmal\u0131\u2019 demeye ba\u015flad\u0131.<\/p>\n -Bu, Washington\u2019da cidden tart\u0131\u015f\u0131l\u0131yor mu?<\/strong><\/p>\n – Hen\u00fcz cidden tart\u0131\u015f\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnm\u00fcyorum ama yava\u015f yava\u015f b\u00f6yle bir tart\u0131\u015fma ba\u015fl\u0131yor. Benzer bir e\u011filim Avrupa\u2019da da var. Bir de \u015fu taraftan bak\u0131n; Rojava asl\u0131nda PKK\u2019n\u0131n ilk kez ger\u00e7ekten kontrol edip y\u00f6netti\u011fi bir alan. PKK bug\u00fcn Suriye\u2019nin kuzeyinde \u00f6zerk bir b\u00f6lgenin nas\u0131l y\u00f6netilece\u011fi konusunda pratik yap\u0131yor ve deneyim kazan\u0131yor. Suriyeli K\u00fcrtler \u00f6zerklik alacak ve bunu PYD alt\u0131nda alacaklar. Suriye i\u00e7indeki di\u011fer b\u00fct\u00fcn g\u00fc\u00e7ler birle\u015fip PYD\u2019ye kar\u015f\u0131 sava\u015f karar\u0131 almad\u0131\u011f\u0131 takdirde bunun engellenmesi zor. T\u00fcrkiye a\u00e7\u0131s\u0131ndan bir \u00e7\u0131kmaz sokak. T\u00fcrkiye daha \u00f6nce Irak\u2019ta bir federasyon i\u00e7in k\u0131rm\u0131z\u0131 \u00e7izgi diyordu, bug\u00fcn Suriye\u2019de ayn\u0131 \u015feyi s\u00f6yl\u00fcyor da ne oluyor? Bug\u00fcn Suriye ile s\u0131n\u0131r\u0131n\u0131zda K\u00fcrt bayraklar\u0131 dalgalan\u0131yor. AKP h\u00e2l\u00e2 bu eski k\u0131rm\u0131z\u0131 \u00e7izgi retori\u011fini kullanarak bir yere varamaz. Sahadaki dengeler de\u011fi\u015firken T\u00fcrkiye politika de\u011fi\u015ftirmezse kaybeder. \u0130ran\u2019\u0131 \u00f6zel ko\u015fullar\u0131ndan dolay\u0131 bir kenara koyarsak T\u00fcrkiye, K\u00fcrtlerin h\u00e2l\u00e2 aktif olarak \u00f6zerklik ve me\u015fruiyet aray\u0131\u015f\u0131nda oldu\u011fu tek \u00fclke olarak kalacak. Zaten bug\u00fcn T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin g\u00fcneydo\u011fusunda devletin g\u00f6r\u00fcn\u00fcrl\u00fc\u011f\u00fc \u00e7ok azalm\u0131\u015f durumda. PKK gerillalar\u0131 da\u011flarda \u00f6zg\u00fcrce geziyor.<\/p>\n Erdo\u011fan\u2019\u0131n \u00f6n\u00fcndeki 2 se\u00e7enek<\/strong><\/p>\n -PKK\u2019l\u0131lar\u0131n \u015fu anda T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin da\u011flar\u0131nda gezmek yerine s\u0131n\u0131r\u0131n \u00f6te taraf\u0131na \u00e7ekiliyor olmalar\u0131 gerekmiyor mu?<\/strong><\/p>\n – Evet \u00e7ekiliyorlar ama yava\u015f yava\u015f \u00e7ekiliyorlar. Erdo\u011fan\u2019\u0131n tam olarak hesaplayamad\u0131\u011f\u0131 \u015fu; PKK tamamen \u00e7ekilirse geriye ne kalacak? Geriye bir nevi bir otorite bo\u015flu\u011fu kalacak. Bu bo\u015flu\u011fu herhangi bir silahl\u0131 grup doldurmak isteyebilir. Bu hem T\u00fcrkler hem de K\u00fcrtler a\u00e7\u0131s\u0131ndan \u00e7ok tehlikeli bir durum. PKK hem geride b\u00f6yle bir bo\u015fluk b\u0131rakmak istemedi\u011fi i\u00e7in hem de T\u00fcrkiye\u2019ye g\u00fcvenmedi\u011fi i\u00e7in \u00e7ok yava\u015f \u00e7ekiliyor. Tamamen \u00e7ekilseler bile geride KCK kalacak. Her hal\u00fck\u00e2rda b\u00f6lgede PKK\u2019n\u0131n en bask\u0131n akt\u00f6r olarak kalmas\u0131 sa\u011flan\u0131r. Bu b\u00f6lge insan\u0131 a\u00e7\u0131s\u0131ndan da makul bir \u015fey. Bug\u00fcn art\u0131k PKK\u2019y\u0131 ayn\u0131 AKP ve CHP gibi bir siyasi parti olarak g\u00f6ren \u00e7ok insanla konu\u015ftum son ziyaretim s\u0131ras\u0131nda. Bu bak\u0131\u015f de\u011fi\u015fmez. Gezi olaylar\u0131, Erdo\u011fan\u2019\u0131n T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin ihtiyac\u0131 olan demokratik ad\u0131mlar\u0131 atmaya haz\u0131r olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 ortaya \u00e7\u0131kard\u0131. Bug\u00fcn soru \u015fudur; demokrasi olmadan K\u00fcrt sorununu nas\u0131l \u00e7\u00f6zersiniz? Erdo\u011fan\u2019\u0131n \u00f6n\u00fcnde iki se\u00e7enek var; ya demokratikle\u015fme yoluyla bu meseleyi \u00e7\u00f6zecek ya da G\u00fcneydo\u011fu\u2019yu K\u00fcrtlere b\u0131rakacak.<\/p>\n \u00d6calan en fazla ev hapsi umabilir<\/strong><\/p>\n -\u00d6calan\u2019\u0131n T\u00fcrkiye siyasetinde me\u015fru bir akt\u00f6r olma hevesi var m\u0131 sizce?<\/strong><\/p>\n – Bug\u00fcn \u00f6nemli olan \u00d6calan\u2019\u0131n kendi siyasi gelece\u011fi ya da \u00f6zg\u00fcrl\u00fc\u011f\u00fc i\u00e7in ne istedi\u011fi de\u011fil. Elbette K\u00fcrtler en az\u0131ndan ko\u015fullar\u0131n\u0131n iyile\u015ftirilmesini, ev hapsini \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcm\u00fcn bir par\u00e7as\u0131 olarak isteyecek. Ancak as\u0131l mesele K\u00fcrtlerin kendilerini y\u00f6netme meselesidir. Erdo\u011fan\u2019\u0131n \u00fczerinde d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnmesi gereken budur. Ayr\u0131ca \u00d6calan\u2019\u0131n tamamen \u00f6zg\u00fcr kalaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnm\u00fcyorum. Zaten \u00f6zg\u00fcr b\u0131rak\u0131lsa, biri \u00e7\u0131kar sokakta \u00f6ld\u00fcr\u00fcr. Bence umabilece\u011finin en iyisi ev hapsi. Ayr\u0131ca T\u00fcrklerden kabul etmelerini isteyece\u011finiz \u015feylerin de bir s\u0131n\u0131r\u0131 var.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":" Haber Merkezi T24 Gazetesi, Ağustos 2013 Aliza Marcus, Türkiye’de ve dünyada PKK’yı en iyi bilen ve yorumlayan isimlerden biri olarak öne çıkıyor. 1990’lı yılların başında Türkiye’de gazetecilik yaparken Kürt sorunu üzerine yoğunlaşmaya başlayan Marcus’un 2007’de yayımlanan ‘Kan ve İnanç’ isimli kitabı PKK üzerine yapılan en derinlikli çalışmalardan biri olarak değerlendiriliyor. 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\nT24 \u00a0Gazetesi, A\u011fustos 2013<\/p>\n