{"id":13033,"date":"2019-04-01T11:11:58","date_gmt":"2019-04-01T16:11:58","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/circassiancenter.com\/tr\/?p=13033"},"modified":"2019-04-01T11:11:58","modified_gmt":"2019-04-01T16:11:58","slug":"milli-guvenlik-konseyi-tutanaklarinda-zorunlu-din-dersi","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.circassiancenter.com\/tr\/milli-guvenlik-konseyi-tutanaklarinda-zorunlu-din-dersi\/","title":{"rendered":"M\u0130LL\u0130 G\u00dcVENL\u0130K KONSEY\u0130 TUTANAKLARINDA ZORUNLU D\u0130N DERS\u0130"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.circassiancenter.com\/cc-turkiye\/yz-image5\/0144-kafkasya.GIF\" width=\"130\" height=\"173\" border=\"0\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span lang=\"tr\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><strong>Bet\u00fcl Uncular<\/strong><br \/>\n<\/span> <span> \u0130\u015fte MGK Tutanaklar\u0131, Cumhuriyet, 27 Haziran 1987<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: small;\">Milli G\u00fcvenlik Konseyi, 1982 y\u0131l\u0131 Ekim ay\u0131n\u0131n ikinci yar\u0131s\u0131nda, Dan\u0131\u015fma Meclisi\u2019nin kabul etti\u011fi 1982 Anayasas\u0131\u2019n\u0131 g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015ft\u00fc. (&#8230;) Devlet Ba\u015fkan\u0131 Kenan Evren\u2019in ba\u015fkanl\u0131\u011f\u0131nda, Orgeneral Nurettin Ersin, Orgeneral Tahsin \u015eahinkaya, Oramiral Nejat T\u00fcmer ve Orgeneral Sedat Celesun\u2019dan olu\u015fan Milli G\u00fcvenlik Konseyi\u2019ndeki anayasa tart\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131 tutanaklara \u015f\u00f6yle ge\u00e7ti:<b><\/p>\n<p>Orgeneral Tahsin \u015eahinkaya: <\/b> Okullarda din dersini, di\u011fer zorunlu dersler meyan\u0131nda okutacak isek de belki de gelecekte, \u2018Anayasa&#8217;da h\u00fck\u00fcm vard\u0131r, mekteplerde din dersleri mutlaka okutulmas\u0131 gerekir\u2019 diye, bunun daha da geni\u015f \u00e7apta okutulmas\u0131 tehlikesi beliriyor. O y\u00f6n\u00fc ile, acaba -her ne kadar dinin bu okullarda mutlaka okutulmas\u0131na inanm\u0131yorsak da- \u2018\u0130lk\u00f6\u011fretim ve orta\u00f6\u011fretim kurumlar\u0131nda okunan dersler aras\u0131nda yer al\u0131r\u2019 deyince, aynen tarih, co\u011frafya gibi, matematik gibi bu dersleri de koyacaklar\u0131ndan, onlar gibi yer ald\u0131\u011f\u0131 i\u00e7in, daha yumu\u015fat\u0131c\u0131 ve daha makul \u015fekilde bir ifadenin v\u00fccuda gelece\u011fine inan\u0131yorum Say\u0131n Ba\u015fkan\u0131m.<\/p>\n<p><b>Ba\u015fkan Kenan Evren: <\/b>\u2018Devletin g\u00f6zetimi alt\u0131nda&#8230;\u2019 Okullarda de\u011fil, di\u011fer yerlerde, mesela Kuran kurslar\u0131 a\u00e7\u0131l\u0131yor; Kuran kurslar\u0131nda hem e\u011fitim var hem de \u00f6\u011fretim var; yani hem Kuran\u2019\u0131n nas\u0131l okutulaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131n \u00f6\u011fretimi yapt\u0131r\u0131l\u0131yor, hem de namaz\u0131n nas\u0131l k\u0131l\u0131naca\u011f\u0131n\u0131n, aptesin nas\u0131l al\u0131naca\u011f\u0131n\u0131n, cenaze namaz\u0131n\u0131n nas\u0131l k\u0131l\u0131naca\u011f\u0131n\u0131n e\u011fitimi yap\u0131l\u0131yor. Bunlar da devletin g\u00f6zetimi alt\u0131ndad\u0131r.<\/p>\n<p>Yaln\u0131z \u2018\u00f6\u011fretimi\u2019 der isek, buradan \u2018e\u011fitimi\u2019 \u00e7\u0131kar\u0131r isek, o takdirde, \u2018Ben e\u011fitim yapt\u0131raca\u011f\u0131m\u2019 diye bir yer a\u00e7arlar. Devletin g\u00f6zetimi alt\u0131nda olmayabilir.<\/p>\n<p><b>Ba\u015fkan Kenan Evren: <\/b>Din K\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fc veriyoruz. Din dersi de\u011fil; yani dinin tarihi, dinimizin kurallar\u0131 i\u00e7erisinde \u00f6\u011fretilmesi laz\u0131m gelen hususlar\u0131 bu \u00e7ocuklara \u00f6\u011fretece\u011fiz. \u2018Din dersi\u2019 deyince, Kuran\u0131 Kerim\u2019i ba\u015ftan al\u0131p sonuna kadar&#8230; O de\u011fil&#8230; \u00c7ocuk, ilkokulu ve orta\u00f6\u011fretimi bitirdi\u011fi zaman bir din k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fcne sahiptir. \u0130slamiyet nedir? Nas\u0131l do\u011fmu\u015ftur? Nas\u0131l geli\u015fmi\u015ftir? Orada \u2018e\u011fitimi\u2019 koymad\u0131k, \u2018din k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fc ve ahlak \u00f6\u011fretimi ilk ve orta\u00f6\u011fretim kurumlar\u0131nda zorunlu dersler aras\u0131nda yer al\u0131r.\u2019 \u2018Dersler aras\u0131nda yer al\u0131r\u2019 desek ne olacak, \u2018zorunlu dersler aras\u0131nda\u2019 desek ne olacak?..<\/p>\n<p><b>Orgeneral Tahsin \u015eahinkaya: <\/b>\u2018Okutulan dersler aras\u0131nda yer al\u0131r\u2019. Yani bir tarihten, co\u011frafyadan, matematikten vazge\u00e7ilemeyece\u011fi gibi, bu okullarda, bu din dersinden de vazge\u00e7ilemez. Bunu da onun gibi, okunan dersler mahiyetinde de\u011ferlendirip okutal\u0131m Say\u0131n Ba\u015fkan\u0131m.<\/p>\n<p><b>Hakim T\u00fcmgeneral Muzaffer Ba\u015fkaynak (Anayasa Komisyonu Ba\u015fkan\u0131):<\/b> Say\u0131n Ba\u015fkan\u0131m, ilk ve orta\u00f6\u011fretimde \u00f6zellikle tarih, co\u011frafya, matematik, fizik, kimya dersleri genel k\u00fclt\u00fcr dersleri meyan\u0131ndad\u0131r. Maddenin yaz\u0131l\u0131\u015f bi\u00e7imine g\u00f6re din k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fc de o dersler meyan\u0131nda verilecektir. Ne var ki, bundan \u00f6nceki tatbikatlarda bunun verilmesi zorunlu olmas\u0131na ra\u011fmen, anayasada yer almad\u0131\u011f\u0131 i\u00e7in veya emredici h\u00fck\u00fcm bulunmamas\u0131 nedeni ile bu konularda \u00f6\u011frencilerimiz veya T\u00fcrk vatanda\u015flar\u0131, yeterince bilgi sahibi olamam\u0131\u015flard\u0131r. \u00d6zellikle herhangi bir yabanc\u0131 \u00fclkenin b\u00fct\u00fcn \u00f6zelliklerini bilmi\u015f olmalar\u0131na, belki belki onun \u00f6tesinde, yabanc\u0131 \u00fclkelerin dini k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fcne ait baz\u0131 bilgi sahibi bulunmu\u015f olmalar\u0131na ra\u011fmen, \u0130slamiyet veya kendi dinleri hakk\u0131nda herhangi bir k\u00fclt\u00fcr sahibi bulunmamaktad\u0131rlar.<\/p>\n<p><b>Hakim T\u00fcmgeneral Muzaffer Ba\u015fkaynak:<\/b> \u0130hmal edilmi\u015f bir m\u00fcesseseyi, bu \u015fekilde anayasada ihya etmek zorunlulu\u011fu duyulmu\u015ftur.<\/p>\n<p><b>Oramiral Nejat T\u00fcmer:<\/b> Yabanc\u0131 okullarda, bilhassa Rum okullar\u0131nda, kendi i\u00e7lerinde uygulad\u0131klar\u0131 bir din e\u011fitimi var. Ayr\u0131ca bizim kendi Frans\u0131z, Alman ve \u0130talyan okullar\u0131m\u0131z var; burada hem T\u00fcrkler okuyor hem yabanc\u0131lar okuyor. Bu mecburiyet anayasam\u0131zda oldu\u011funa g\u00f6re, bu okullarda da din derslerinin okutulmas\u0131n\u0131 mecburi k\u0131lmakta m\u0131d\u0131r veya onlar\u0131 bu i\u015fin d\u0131\u015f\u0131nda tutabilecekler mi?<\/p>\n<p><b>Hakim T\u00fcmgeneral Muzaffer Ba\u015fkaynak: <\/b>Din k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fc, \u0130slam dininden olanlara uygulan\u0131r. Zaten yabanc\u0131lar kendi din k\u00fclt\u00fcrlerini almaktad\u0131rlar. Bu itibarla anayasada amir h\u00fck\u00fcm olarak bu konu uygulanacakt\u0131r.<\/p>\n<p><b>Ba\u015fkan Kenan Evren: <\/b>Bir milleti dinsiz yapmak m\u00fcmk\u00fcn de\u011fil. Bu \u00e7ocuklar din k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fcn\u00fc okulda almayacak, ailesi vermeyecek. Nereden verilecek? O zaman, isteyen ki\u015fi, mahalle mektebine g\u00f6nderecek, orada \u00f6\u011fretecek. Bunu oralalarda \u00f6\u011fretece\u011fine, i\u015fte burada hi\u00e7 olmazsa din k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fcn\u00fc al\u0131r, ondan sonra onu ilerletecekse ilerletir; kursa gider, hoca tutar, ne yaparsa yapar; ona da kimse mani de\u011fil.<\/p>\n<p><b>Orgeneral Nurettin Ersin:<\/b> \u2018Zorunlu dersler aras\u0131nda yer al\u0131r\u2019 konusunun tabii bir ihtiya\u00e7tan do\u011fdu\u011fu i\u00e7in konulmu\u015f oldu\u011fu a\u015fikard\u0131r. Yoksa, ille laikli\u011fe ayk\u0131r\u0131 bir ders e\u011fitimi manas\u0131n\u0131 ta\u015f\u0131m\u0131yor, ileride gelecek iktidarlar zaman\u0131nda istismar edilmemesi i\u00e7in zab\u0131tlara bu \u015fekilde ge\u00e7mesinde b\u00fcy\u00fck yarar vard\u0131r. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc 1961 Anayasas\u0131\u2019nda b\u00f6yle bir kay\u0131t yoktu, serbest b\u0131rak\u0131lm\u0131\u015ft\u0131; bu serbestlik, din k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fcn\u00fcn verilmesinde hi\u00e7bir zaman ba\u015far\u0131l\u0131 olmam\u0131\u015f ve bir\u00e7ok ki\u015fi din bilgisinden mahrum kalm\u0131\u015ft\u0131.<\/p>\n<p>Bizim maksad\u0131m\u0131z, bu din k\u00fclt\u00fcr ve \u00f6\u011frenimini bu tarzda vermektir. Yoksa asla kimseyi dinin b\u00fct\u00fcn gereklerine do\u011fru zorlamak de\u011fil; din k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fc almas\u0131n\u0131 sa\u011flamakt\u0131r. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc \u00fclkelerde toplumun birle\u015ftirici unsuru olarak din mevcut oldu\u011funa g\u00f6re, bunu herkesin bilmesi kadar \u00e7ok tabii bir \u015fey yoktur. \u00d6zellikle T\u00fcrk toplumu b\u00fcy\u00fck bir ekseriyetle \u0130slam dinine girdi\u011fine g\u00f6re, o halde bu imkan\u0131 kendilerine sa\u011flamak ve bilgilerini ba\u015fka yerlerden alacaklar\u0131 yerde, devletin kontrol\u00fc alt\u0131nda almalar\u0131n\u0131 sa\u011flamak, \u00e7ok daha uygun olacakt\u0131r. \u2018Zorunlu\u2019 kelimesinin bu tarzda a\u00e7\u0131klamas\u0131, hi\u00e7bir zaman laikli\u011fe ayk\u0131r\u0131 de\u011fildir ve istismara m\u00fcsait bir \u015fekilde kullan\u0131lmamal\u0131d\u0131r.<\/p>\n<p><b>Ba\u015fkan Kenan Evren: <\/b>Efendim T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de imam hatip okullar\u0131 neden \u00e7o\u011falm\u0131\u015ft\u0131r? Bir zamanlar, hat\u0131rlars\u0131n\u0131z, gidilen her yerde imam hatip okulu isteniyordu; bunlar\u0131n say\u0131s\u0131 357\u2019dir; bug\u00fcn meslek liseleri dahi o kadar fazla de\u011fil. Sebebi: Ana baba, \u00e7ocu\u011funun din din dersi almas\u0131n\u0131 da istiyor, \u2018Nas\u0131l olsa lise seviyesinde; di\u011fer okullarda bu hi\u00e7 yoktu; o halde imam hatip okuluna g\u00f6ndereyim\u2019 diyor; hem lise diplomas\u0131 al\u0131r hem de din bilgisi al\u0131r, diye d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyordu.<\/p>\n<p>\u0130mam hatip okullar\u0131 ve liseleri yan\u0131nda Kuran kurslar\u0131n\u0131n m\u00fctemadiyen memleket sath\u0131nda yay\u0131lmas\u0131, bunun arkas\u0131ndan gizli Kuran kurslar\u0131n\u0131n \u00e7\u0131kmas\u0131n\u0131n sebepleri bunlard\u0131r. Aile yap\u0131m\u0131z belli, geleneklerimiz, g\u00f6reneklerimiz belli. Aile, \u00e7ocu\u011funu b\u00f6yle bir yere vermeyi tercih ediyordu; namaz k\u0131lmas\u0131n\u0131 \u00f6\u011frenecek ve \u2018Arkamdan bir Fatiha okuyabilecek\u2019 diye d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnecek; belki o zaman \u00f6b\u00fcr okulu tercih etmeyecek ve bu okullara g\u00f6ndermeyi daha \u00e7ok tercih edecek.<\/p>\n<p>\u2018Okutulan zorunlu dersler aras\u0131nda yer al\u0131r\u2019 dediniz siz.<\/p>\n<p><b>Orgeneral Nurettin Ersin:<\/b> Evet<\/p>\n<p><b>Ba\u015fkan Kenan Evren:<\/b> Bunun i\u00e7inde hem ahlak e\u011fitimi de var. Zaten ahlak dersi vard\u0131, mecburi idi, bug\u00fcn liselerimizde ahlak dersi mecburidir. O halde hem \u2018din k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fc\u2019 hem \u2018ahlak e\u011fitimi\u2019, bu ikisi beraberdir. Bu, s\u0131rf \u2018din k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fc\u2019 de\u011fil; \u2018din k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fc\u2019 ve \u2018ahlak \u00f6\u011fretimi\u2019, ikisi beraberdir. \u0130kisi kar\u0131\u015f\u0131k olarak verilecektir.<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Bet&uuml;l Uncular &#304;&#351;te MGK Tutanaklar&#305;, Cumhuriyet, 27 Haziran 1987 Milli G&uuml;venlik Konseyi, 1982 y&#305;l&#305; Ekim ay&#305;n&#305;n ikinci yar&#305;s&#305;nda, Dan&#305;&#351;ma Meclisi&rsquo;nin kabul etti&#287;i 1982 Anayasas&#305;&rsquo;n&#305; g&ouml;r&uuml;&#351;t&uuml;. 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