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Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong><\/p>\n (\u00d6n a\u00e7\u0131klama: Bakur Gogokhia\u2019n\u0131n\u00a0\u00a0\u201cLaz Soyadlar\u0131\u201d adl\u0131 kitab\u0131 G\u00fcrcistan\u2019\u0131n ba\u015fkenti Tiflis\u2019te yay\u0131nland\u0131.\u00a0\u00a0Kitab\u0131n ilgin\u00e7 bir ad\u0131 var: \u201cLaz Soyadlar\u0131\u201d. \u015eimdi, bu kitap benim elime de ula\u015ft\u0131. \u0130lgimi \u00e7ekti. Bu sebeple de Bakur Bey ile bir s\u00f6yle\u015fi yapmak istedim. Bir s\u00f6yle\u015fi yapt\u0131k. Bu metin Lazca s\u00f6yle\u015fimize ait. Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz)<\/p>\n +\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Bakur Bey, \u00d6nce biyografinizle ba\u015flayal\u0131m; biyografinizden konu\u015fal\u0131m! Nerelisiniz? Hangi devletin vatanda\u015f\u0131s\u0131n\u0131z? Nerede do\u011fdunuz? Hangi kent veya k\u00f6yde do\u011fdunuz? Hangi okullarda \u00f6\u011frenim g\u00f6rd\u00fcn\u00fcz? Mesle\u011finiz nedir? Ne i\u015f yap\u0131yorsunuz? Evli misiniz? \u00c7ocuklar\u0131n\u0131z var m\u0131?<\/p>\n Bakur Gogokhia<\/strong>:\u00a0\u00d6nce, ne demek istedi\u011fimi s\u00f6yleyeyim. \u0130lginiz ve gazetede yay\u0131nlayaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131z bu s\u00f6yle\u015fiden dolay\u0131\u00a0te\u015fekk\u00fcr ederim.<\/p>\n Ben Zugdidili\u2019yim.\u00a0G\u00fcrcistan vatanda\u015f\u0131y\u0131m.\u00a0Zugdidi, Samargalo b\u00f6lgesinde, G\u00fcrcistan\u2019\u0131n\u00a0\u00a0g\u00fczel bir kentidir.\u00a0\u00a0Ben de orada do\u011fdum, orada b\u00fcy\u00fcd\u00fcm ve orada da oturuyorum.\u00a02000\u2019de\u00a0\u00a0Zugdidi 3\u00a0no\u2019lu\u00a0ortaokulundan mezun oldum. Ayn\u0131 y\u0131l Tiflis\u00a0\u0130vane\u00a0Cavakhi\u015fvili\u00a0Devlet \u00dcniversitesi\u2019nin\u00a0Hukuk\u00a0Fak\u00fcltesi\u2019nde \u00f6\u011frenime ba\u015flad\u0131m.\u00a02005\u2019te buradan mezun oldum.\u00a02011\u2019den beri Tiflis\u2019in di\u011fer,\u00a0Cger\u00a0Andria\u00a0Pirveltzodebuli\u00a0G\u00fcrc\u00fc \u00dcniversitesi\u2019nde\u00a0\u00a0etnoloji alan\u0131nda doktoraya ba\u015flad\u0131m.\u00a02007\u2019den beri \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yorum.\u00a0\u015eimdi yerel bir organizasyonda proje koordinat\u00f6r\u00fcy\u00fcm. Evlenmekte biraz geciktim. \u00c7ocuklar\u0131m da yok.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Bakur Bey, Abkhazya\u2019dan s\u00fcr\u00fclenlerdensiniz, muhacirsiniz. \u00d6yle biliyorum. Do\u011fru s\u00f6yl\u00fcyor muyum?! Abkhazya\u2019dan s\u00fcr\u00fclen insanlar\u0131m\u0131z\u0131n trajedisi yaln\u0131zca kendilerinin de\u011fil, b\u00fct\u00fcn insanl\u0131\u011f\u0131n trajedisi. Bu konuda ne d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorsunuz?<\/p>\n Bakur Gogokhia<\/strong>: Ben Akkhazya\u2019dan de\u011filim.\u00a0Dedi\u011fim gibi,\u00a0Zugdidi\u2019denim. Ancak\u00a0evimden Abkhazia\u2019ya ait yerler \u00e7ok iyi g\u00f6z\u00fck\u00fcyor.\u00a0Zugdidi\u2019den\u00a0Abkhazya\u2019ya,\u00a0en yak\u0131n mesafede, 3\u00a0kilometre uzakl\u0131kta.\u00a0Trajedi b\u00fcy\u00fckt\u00fc ve halen de bu trajedi devam ediyor.\u00a0Bu trajedi,\u00a01990\u2019l\u0131 y\u0131llarda ba\u015flamam\u0131\u015f.\u00a0Buna benzer kara g\u00fcnler tarihimizde \u00e7ok fazla. Abkhazya\u2019dan s\u00fcr\u00fclm\u00fc\u015f\u00a0oral\u0131, yerli Megreller\u2019e ili\u015fkin bilgileri eski tarih\u00e7iler\u00a0daha 17.\u00a0\u00a0y\u00fczy\u0131ldan itibaren bizlere aktar\u0131yor.\u00a0\u00a0Bu konu, bug\u00fcnlere kadar ve\u00a0bug\u00fcnlerin de o kadar derin\u00a0ve\u00a0y\u00fcrek yakan bir trajedisidir\u00a0ki,\u00a0birka\u00e7 c\u00fcmle ve y\u00fcz r\u00f6portajla anlatmakla bile bitmez.\u00a09 ya\u015f\u0131nda k\u00fc\u00e7\u00fck bir \u00e7ocuktum.\u00a0Kremlin\u2019in\u00a0yalanlar\u0131na kanm\u0131\u015f\u00a0\u00a0Abhazlar,\u00a0Rusya\u2019n\u0131n,\u00a0Kuzey Kafkasyal\u0131lar\u0131n ve\u00a0baz\u0131\u00a0ba\u015fkalar\u0131n\u0131n\u00a0deste\u011fiyle,\u00a0Abhazya\u2019da bizimle kavga ettiler.\u00a0Bunu b\u00f6yle diyeyim. Di\u011feri de,\u00a0Tzkhinvali\u2019de\u00a0olan. Bu kavgalar, G\u00fcrcistan\u2019\u0131n SSCB\u2019den ayr\u0131lmas\u0131 ve ba\u011f\u0131ms\u0131zl\u0131k y\u00f6n\u00fcnde tav\u0131r almas\u0131 sebebiyle\u00a0Rusya\u2019n\u0131n G\u00fcrcistan\u2019a verdi\u011fi bir cezad\u0131r.\u00a0Bu kavgada G\u00fcrcistan, Moskava\u2019n\u0131n sil\u00e2h ve propagandas\u0131 kar\u015f\u0131s\u0131nda yaln\u0131z kald\u0131.\u00a0Tabii,\u00a0bu kavgada bizi yendiler.\u00a0Ancak\u00a0hayat bununla bitmez. Bir g\u00fcn bizim de zafer g\u00fcn\u00fcm\u00fcz gelir.\u00a0Zugdidi\u2019deki evim\u00a0merkez\u00ee cadde \u00fczerinde.\u00a0Abkhazya\u2019dan s\u00fcr\u00fclm\u00fc\u015f\u00a0insanlar\u0131n kimi yaya olarak, kimi\u00a0\u00f6k\u00fczlerin\u00a0ve\u00a0atlar\u0131n \u00e7ekti\u011fi ka\u011fn\u0131larla,\u00a0kimi\u00a0hurdas\u0131 \u00e7\u0131km\u0131\u015f\u00a0arabalarla,\u00a0ellerini tuttuklar\u0131 a\u011flayan, a\u00e7, biila\u00e7 \u00e7ocuklar\u0131yla evimizin \u00f6n\u00fcnden ge\u00e7tiklerine g\u00f6zlerimle tan\u0131k oldum.\u00a0Bu konuyu burada kesece\u011fim. Bunlar\u0131 hat\u0131rlamak bana olduk\u00e7a a\u011f\u0131r geliyor. Bu, Abkhazya\u2019daki\u00a0\u00a0G\u00fcrc\u00fclerin\u00a0(en\u00a0fazla da\u00a0Megreller\u2019in) \u201eetnik\u00a0\u00a0temizli\u011fi\u201cydi.\u00a0\u00a030 000\u00a0insan\u0131 \u00f6ld\u00fcrd\u00fcler ve\u00a0250 000\u00a0insan\u0131 da\u00a0evlerinden s\u00fcrd\u00fcler.\u00a0B\u00f6yle kara ve kanl\u0131\u00a0i\u015fler yaln\u0131zca\u00a0G\u00fcrcistan\u2019da de\u011fil,\u00a0\u00a0bir\u00e7ok \u00fclkede oluyor:\u00a0Ukrayna\u2019da,\u00a0Azerbaycan\u2019da,\u00a0S\u0131rbistan\u2019da,\u00a0Moldova\u2019da\u00a0ve di\u011fer \u00fclkelerde.\u00a0Siyaset,\u00a0ekonomi,\u00a0ne olursa olsun, ne sebeple olursa olsun,\u00a0bu kadar insan\u0131 de\u011fil,\u00a0bir tek insan\u0131 bile \u00f6ld\u00fcrmek g\u00fcn\u00e2ht\u0131r.\u00a0\u00dclkemizin tekrar o kara g\u00fcnlerden \u00f6nceki g\u00fcnlerdeki gibi birle\u015fece\u011fine ve o ac\u0131 ve yas g\u00fcnlerinin yerini mutlu g\u00fcnlere b\u0131rakaca\u011f\u0131na inan\u0131yorum.\u00a0Ayd\u0131nl\u0131k karanl\u0131\u011f\u0131n yerini, g\u00fcn de gecenin yerini alacak.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz:<\/strong>\u00a0Bakur Bey, ben \u00e7ok iyi biliyorum ki siz \u00e7ok g\u00fczel Lazca konu\u015fuyorsunuz!\u00a0<\/em><\/strong>Diyebilirim ki, Laz ayd\u0131nlar\u0131n\u0131n \u00e7o\u011fundan daha iyi Lazca biliyorsunuz. Lazca konu\u015fmay\u0131 da, Lazca yazmay\u0131 da \u00e7ok iyi biliyorsunuz. \u00d6yle biliyorum. Lazcay\u0131 b\u00f6yle su gibi nereden \u00f6\u011frendiniz?!<\/p>\n Bakur Gogokhia<\/strong>: Bunlar \u00f6vg\u00fc dolu s\u00f6zler. Bir kez daha size te\u015fekk\u00fcr ederim.\u00a0Lazca\u00a0ya da\u00a0\u00c7anca,\u00a0Megrelce,\u00a0G\u00fcrc\u00fcce\u00a0ve\u00a0Svanca\u00a0ya da\u00a0\u015eonca ile beraber,\u00a0biliyorsunuz,\u00a0bizim dillerimizden biri.\u00a0Bu d\u00f6rt dilimizle biz \u00e7ok zenginiz.\u00a0Bu kadar dile sahip bir milleti d\u00fcnyada bulamazs\u0131n\u0131z. Ben, Lazca ve Megrelce\u2019nin bir dilin diyalektleri oldu\u011funu de\u011ferlendiriyorum.\u00a0Eski G\u00fcrc\u00fcce ve Yunanca\u2019da bu dilin bir ad\u0131 vard\u0131.\u00a0Eski insanlar\u0131m\u0131z bu dile\u00a0\u201eMegrelce\u201c\u00a0ad\u0131n\u0131 veriyorlard\u0131.\u00a0Yunanl\u0131lar bu dile\u00a0\u201eKolkh Dili\u201c\u00a0diyorlard\u0131.\u00a0\u00dc\u00e7\u00fcnc\u00fcs\u00fc ise, bilim\u00a0insanlar\u0131 bu dile\u00a0\u201eZan\u00a0Dili\u201c\u00a0diyorlar.\u00a0Bu dillerin bilimsel ad\u0131 ise,\u00a0\u201eKartvelgil Dilleri\u201c.\u00a0Ayn\u0131\u00a0Almanca\u2019ya,\u00a0\u0130ngilizce\u2019ye,\u00a0Norve\u00e7\u00e7e\u2019ye,\u00a0Danimarkaca\u2019ya ve di\u011fer baz\u0131 dillere\u00a0\u201eGermangil Dilleri\u201c,\u00a0Fars\u00e7a\u2019ya, K\u00fcrt\u00e7e\u2019ye,\u00a0Tacik\u00e7e\u2019ye,\u00a0ve\u00a0di\u011fer baz\u0131lar\u0131na da\u00a0\u201e\u0130rangil Dilleri\u201c\u00a0denildi\u011fi gibi \u00f6yle bir tan\u0131mlama.\u00a0Bizim bu d\u00f6rt dilimiz, G\u00fcrc\u00fcce, Megrelce, Lazca ve Svanca \u00e7ok k\u00f6kl\u00fc ve\u00a0etkili diller.\u00a0Ancak (adlar\u0131n\u0131 burada saym\u0131yorum) yabanc\u0131 devletler, imparatorluklar, \u00fclkemizi i\u015fgal ettiler ve b\u00f6ld\u00fcler. B\u00f6ylece de\u00a0kendi kelimelerimizin \u00e7o\u011funu unuttuk ve kayboldu.\u00a0O kelimelerin yerine yabanc\u0131\u00a0kelime\u00a0ve\u00a0s\u00f6yleni\u015f \u015fekillerini kullan\u0131r olduk.\u00a0\u00c7ok ba\u015fka \u015feyler de vard\u0131.\u00a0\u015eimdi burada anlatmak uzun olur, bahsedilmez.\u00a0\u0130\u015fte b\u00f6ylece de dillerimiz yava\u015f yava\u015f birbirlerinden uzakla\u015ft\u0131. Megrelce G\u00fcrc\u00fcce\u2019den uzakla\u015ft\u0131, Lazca\u00a0Megrelce\u2019den,\u00a0Arde\u015fen\u2019de konu\u015fulan Lazca\u00a0Hopa\u2019da konu\u015fulan Lazca\u2019dan,\u00a0Hopa\u2019da konu\u015fulan Lazca\u00a0\u00c7khala\u2019da konu\u015fulan Lazca\u2019dan zamanla uzakla\u015fm\u0131\u015f oldu. Ancak bu dillerin k\u00f6k\u00fc hep ayn\u0131 kald\u0131.\u00a0Bir a\u011fac\u0131n dallar\u0131 gibi.\u00a0\u00a0Ben de, burada, bu r\u00f6portajda fark\u0131ndas\u0131n\u0131z, Lazca\u2019n\u0131n farkl\u0131 a\u011f\u0131zlar\u0131n\u0131 kar\u0131\u015ft\u0131rarak konu\u015fuyorum.<\/p>\n Ben, Megrelce ve G\u00fcrc\u00fcce\u2019yi \u00e7ok iyi biliyorum. Evde, kendimi bildim bileli annem- babam, ninem-dedem benimle hep Megrelce konu\u015fuyorlard\u0131.\u00a0Annem-babamla,\u00a0biraderimle,\u00a0arkada\u015flar\u0131mla, kuzenlerimle\u00a0Megrelce\u2019den ba\u015fka bir dil konu\u015fmad\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131 hat\u0131rl\u0131yorum.\u00a0Biz \u00f6yle al\u0131\u015ft\u0131k.\u00a0Anaokulunda da,\u00a0di\u011fer okullarda da\u00a0biz \u00e7ocuklar\u00a0bazen \u00f6\u011fretmenlerimizle de Megrelce konu\u015fuyorduk. Megrelce ve G\u00fcrc\u00fcce\u2019yi iyi biliyorsan\u0131z, Lazca\u2019y\u0131 da\u00a0\u00e7ok kolay anlars\u0131n\u0131z,\u00a0\u00f6\u011frenmek i\u00e7in ba\u015fka bir \u015fey l\u00e2z\u0131m de\u011fil. Bunun d\u0131\u015f\u0131nda da,\u00a0benim \u00e7ok fazla Laz arkada\u015f\u0131m var,\u00a0\u00c7aneti\u2019ye\/\u00a0Lazona\u015fa\u00a0gidiyorum. Lazlarla bir arada bulunuyorum.\u00a0Onlar da evime geliyor.\u00a0G\u00fcrcistan\u2019da yay\u0131nlanm\u0131\u015f Lazca kitaplar\u0131n hepsi bende mevcut.\u00a0T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de yay\u0131nlanmaya ba\u015flayan baz\u0131 Lazca kitaplar da bende mevcut. K\u0131saca s\u00f6ylemek gerekirse, benim Lazlarla da,\u00a0Lazca\u2019yla da herg\u00fcn irtibat\u0131m var.\u00a0Bir de, ilgim var tabii. \u00c7ocukken okulda tarih de okuyorduk. \u00d6\u011fretmen, Lazlara ili\u015fkin bizlere tafsil\u00e2tl\u0131 bilgiler veriyordu.\u00a0\u201cLazlar ayn\u0131 Megreller gibi,\u00a0Megrelce\u2019ye benzer dilleri var.\u00a0Bizimkilere benzer adetleri var,\u201d diyordu. Bende de b\u00f6ylece Lazlara ve dillerine ili\u015fkin bir merak uyand\u0131. \u0130nsan, temiz y\u00fcrekle bakarsa, neler yapamaz ki?\u00a0Siz iyi bir s\u00f6z s\u00f6ylediniz:\u00a0\u201eSu gibi\u201c. Ben de b\u00f6yle s\u00f6z\u00fcm\u00fc \u015f\u00f6yle bitireyim:\u00a0Kimli\u011fini seven insan\u0131n, dilini su gibi konu\u015fmas\u0131 gerekir.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: \u015eimdi de kitab\u0131n\u0131za gelelim: \u201cLaz Soyadlar\u0131\u201d. Ni\u00e7in b\u00f6yle bir kitab\u0131, bu kitab\u0131 yazd\u0131n\u0131z? Hangi anlay\u0131\u015fla yazd\u0131n\u0131z? Ka\u00e7 y\u0131lda yazd\u0131n\u0131z? Size kimler yard\u0131mc\u0131 oldu? Bilgileri ve belgeleri nereden edindiniz. Belgeler, kay\u0131tlar size nereden ula\u015ft\u0131? Lazlar, Laz ayd\u0131nlar\u0131 kitab\u0131n\u0131zla ilgileniyor mu?<\/p>\n Bakur Gogokhia<\/strong>: Anlatmak i\u00e7in \u00e7ok uzun bir konu. Soyad\u0131, bir insan\u0131n, bir milletin ni\u015fanesidir, b\u00f6yle diyeyim.\u00a0Kim kimdir, kimdi, nas\u0131ld\u0131, ne yap\u0131yordu,\u00a0nereden geliyor ve \u00e7o\u011fu benzeri \u015fey soyad\u0131yla duyurulur ve anla\u015f\u0131l\u0131r. Bug\u00fcn diyebilirim ki,\u00a0bizlerin soyad\u0131 sistemi d\u00fcnyadaki \u00e7o\u011fu toplumunkinden \u00e7ok eskidir.\u00a0Bu da bize ne kadar b\u00fcy\u00fck bir k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fcn sahibi oldu\u011fumuzu g\u00f6sterir.\u00a0Mesel\u00e2,\u00a0bizimkilerin soyad\u0131na ili\u015fkin en eski yaz\u0131l\u0131 kayna\u011f\u0131n\u00a08. y\u00fczy\u0131la ait oldu\u011funu biliyoruz.\u00a0En eski Laz soyad\u0131n\u0131 G\u00fcrc\u00fc yaz\u0131l\u0131 kayna\u011f\u0131ndan biliyoruz.\u00a0\u201e\u015eanipkhe\u201c\u00a0soyad\u0131,\u00a0\u00a0\u015fimdiki\u00a0Yusufeli\u00a0il\u00e7esinin\u00a0Parkhali K\u00f6y\u00fc\u2019ndeki\u00a0\u00a0(T\u00fcrk\u00e7e\u00a0ad\u0131yla: Alt\u0131parmak\u00a0K\u00f6y\u00fc\u2019ndeki) 10.\u00a0y\u00fczy\u0131la ait\u00a0\u00a0G\u00fcrc\u00fc\u00a0Kilisesi\u2019nin duvar\u0131nda yaz\u0131yor.\u00a012.-13. y\u00fczy\u0131l\u00a0\u00a0G\u00fcrc\u00fc yaz\u0131lar\u0131ndan\u00a0\u00a0elimizde\u00a0\u201eKerta\u015fi\u201c\u00a0soyad\u0131 var.\u00a0Lazona, Osmanl\u0131 \u0130mperatorlu\u011fu topraklar\u0131na kat\u0131l\u0131nca,\u00a0buradaki eski Laz soyadlar\u0131 yava\u015f- yava\u015f kayboldu. Osmanl\u0131lar\u2019da soyad\u0131 yoktu.\u00a0Kendilerine g\u00f6re bir sistemle yaz\u0131l\u0131yordu.\u00a0Ancak eski soyad\u0131 ta\u015f\u0131yan insanlar\u0131n soyadlar\u0131n\u0131 Osmanl\u0131\u2019n\u0131n resm\u00ee kay\u0131t defterlerinde s\u0131kl\u0131kla g\u00f6rebiliriz.\u00a0Bu konuda en\u00a0eski\u00a0Osmanl\u0131 kay\u0131t defteri\u00a01486\u00a0y\u0131l\u0131na ait.\u00a0\u00a0Lazeti\u2019nin\u00a0en\u00a0b\u00fcy\u00fck\u00a0b\u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fcn\u00fcn\u00a0Osmanl\u0131\u2019n\u0131n\u00a0ve sonra da\u00a0T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin topraklar\u0131 oldu\u011fu\u00a0i\u00e7inde oldu\u011fu d\u00f6nemlerde bile o eski soyadlar\u0131 kullan\u0131l\u0131yordu. 1934\u2019de \u00e7\u0131kan \u2018Soyad\u0131 Kanunu\u2019yla\u00a0T\u00fcrk\u00e7e olmayan soyadlar\u0131na yasak getirildi, bunu siz de biliyorsunuz.\u00a0Bu sebeple de T\u00fcrkiye\u2019deki\u00a0eski yerli soyadlar\u0131n kullan\u0131lmas\u0131 sorunluydu\u00a0ve kimse de\u00a0kullanm\u0131yordu.\u00a0Korkuyorlard\u0131.\u00a0G\u00fcrcistan\u2019da\u00a0\u00a0bizimkilerin\u00a0soyadlar\u0131na ili\u015fkin \u00e7ok say\u0131da kitap ve makale yaz\u0131ld\u0131.\u00a0Bu Laz soyadlar\u0131na ili\u015fkin ilk bilimsel\u00a0makaleler Batum\u00a0\u00a0ve\u00a0\u00a0Tiflis\u2019te yaz\u0131ld\u0131.\u00a0\u00a0G\u00fcrcistan,\u00a0SSCB i\u00e7inde oldu\u011fu d\u00f6nemde\u00a0G\u00fcrc\u00fc bilim insanlar\u0131n\u0131n T\u00fcrkiye\u2019deki Lazlara ili\u015fkin bilimsel \u00e7al\u0131\u015fma yapmalar\u0131 yasakt\u0131. O sebeple de yaln\u0131zca Meleni Sarp\u2019taki Laz soyadlar\u0131n\u0131 ara\u015ft\u0131rd\u0131lar. T\u00fcrkiye\u2019deki\u00a0\u00a0Laz\u00a0soyadlar\u0131na ili\u015fkin hi\u00e7 bir \u015fey yaz\u0131lm\u0131yordu.\u00a0Osmanl\u0131 kay\u0131t defterlerinden de kimse faydalanm\u0131yordu. \u015eimdiye kadar,\u00a0\u00a0yaln\u0131zca\u00a0\u00a0\u201c-(i)\u015fi\/\u00a0-i\u015fi\u201d,\u00a0\u201c-ber\u201d, -\u201csk\u0306ir\u201d, -\u201cpxe\u201d\u00a0ve\u00a0\u201c-(u)va\u00a0<\/strong>gibi soneklerle biten soyadlar\u0131n\u0131n Laz\u00a0soyadlar\u0131n\u0131 i\u015faret etti\u011fini\u00a0ya da Laz soyadlar\u0131n\u0131n bu ekleri almad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 biliyorduk.\u00a0Ancak\u00a0Osmal\u0131 kay\u0131t defterleri,\u00a0\u00a0Laz\u00a0soyadlar\u0131n\u0131n\u00a0\u201c\u2013V\u00a0van\u201d,\u00a0\u201c-ian\u201d\u00a0ve\u00a0\u201c-dze\u201d ile de bitti\u011fini bizlere g\u00f6steriyor.\u00a0\u00a0Demek istiyorum ki, T\u00fcrkiye\u2019deki,\u00a0\u00a0Muhammet Safi, Murat\u00a0\u00dcmit Hi\u00e7y\u0131lmaz, Murat Kaya, Hanefi M. Bostan, Sezgin Demircio\u011flu, S\u00fcleyman Bilgin\u00a0ve di\u011ferleri gibi ayd\u0131n insanlar\u00a0Osmal\u0131 kay\u0131t defterleriyle ilgili \u00e7ok \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar y\u00fcr\u00fctt\u00fcler, \u00f6\u011frendiler ve yay\u0131nlad\u0131lar.\u00a0Bu sebeple ben kendilerine \u00e7ok te\u015fekk\u00fcr ediyorum.\u00a0Onlar\u0131n kitaplar\u0131, yani bug\u00fcnk\u00fc T\u00fcrk\u00e7e\u2019ye aktar\u0131lan eski Osmanl\u0131 kay\u0131t defterleri, benim kitab\u0131m\u0131n da en \u00f6nemli kaynaklar\u0131 ve belgeleri. G\u00fcrc\u00fc bilim insanlar\u0131n\u0131n, Guram\u00a0Kartozia\u2019n\u0131n,\u00a0Nikolay\u00a0Maar\u2019\u0131n,\u00a0\u0130oseb\u00a0Qip\u015fidze\u2019nin,\u00a0\u0130rine\u00a0Asatiani\u2019nin,\u00a0\u0130uri\u00a0Sikharulidze\u2019nin kitaplar\u0131 da bana ziyadesiyle yard\u0131mc\u0131 oldu.\u00a0Yine\u00a0\u0130smail\u00a0Bucakli\u015fi\u00a0ve\u00a0\u0130rfan\u00a0Aleksiva\u2019n\u0131n\u00a0\u201eSvacoxo\/ Yer Adlar\u0131\u201c\u00a0adl\u0131 kitab\u0131 da \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131mda bana yard\u0131mc\u0131 oldu. Eski harita ve benzeri kaynaklar da olduk\u00e7a ilgin\u00e7.<\/p>\n Benim a\u00e7\u0131mdan en \u00f6nce,\u00a0\u201c\u2013V\u00a0van\u201d\u00a0sonekiyle biten Laz soyadlar\u0131 \u00f6nemliydi.\u00a0Laz-\u00a0Megrel soyadlar\u0131n\u0131n\u00a0soneki, \u201e-va\u201c\u00a0bu sonekten geliyor. B\u00fct\u00fcn bunlar, \u015fimdiye kadar bilmedi\u011fimiz ve d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnemedi\u011fiz kadar, bizlere Lazlar\u0131n Tarihlerine ili\u015fkin \u00e7o\u011fu bilgiyi veriyor. Osmanl\u0131 kay\u0131t defterlerinde yine olduk\u00e7a fazla bilgi yer al\u0131yor. Bu bilgilerin hepsi yar\u0131n- \u00f6b\u00fcr g\u00fcn \u0131\u015f\u0131\u011f\u0131na \u00e7\u0131kacak.<\/p>\n Kitab\u0131 G\u00fcrc\u00fcce yazd\u0131m. Kitab\u0131m\u0131n i\u00e7inde T\u00fcrk\u00e7e ve \u0130ngilizce birer de \u00f6zet mevcut.\u00a0\u00a0Bir de,\u00a0Lazona\u00a0haritas\u0131 ekli.\u00a0Yazmay\u0131\u00a02016\u2019n\u0131n\u00a0A\u011fustos\u2019unda bitirdim.\u00a0Bir sene boyunca yaz\u0131yordum,\u00a0yeni- yeni kaynak bilgilerle zenginle\u015ftiriyordum. Ancak bilgisayar\u0131mdaki her \u015fey birden kayboldu, bilgisayar\u0131m bozuldu. Bu durum benim i\u00e7in b\u00fcy\u00fck bir travma oldu. Fakat b\u0131rakmad\u0131m. \u0130ki ay i\u00e7inden ba\u015ftan her \u015feyi yeniden yazd\u0131m. Evde oturdum ve yaln\u0131zca bu i\u015fle ilgilendim. Lazona\u2019dan,\u00a0Trabzon\u2019dan,\u00a0Rize\u2019den,\u00a0Tiflis\u2019ten,\u00a0Sohum\u2019dan,\u00a0Kutaisi\u2019den arkada\u015flar\u0131m, kim nas\u0131l yapabildiyse, bana yard\u0131m ettiler. Hepsine \u015f\u00fckranlar\u0131m\u0131 sunuyorum.<\/p>\n Laz\u00a0ayd\u0131nlar\u0131na ili\u015fkin size ne s\u00f6yleyeyim?\u00a0Onlar, alfabemizi okumay\u0131 bilmiyorlar,\u00a0dil de bilmiyorlar\u00a0ve dolay\u0131s\u0131yla da kitab\u0131m\u0131\u00a0\u00a0okuyam\u0131yorlar. Kitab\u0131 T\u00fcrk\u00e7e\u2019ye \u00e7evirtecektim.\u00a0Ancak siz de biliyorsunuz bunun i\u00e7in \u00e7ok \u015fey gerekiyor.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Bakur Bey, belki biliyorsunuz, belki bilmiyorsunuz, bilemiyorum; T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de, Sakarya \u0130linde\u00a0\u00a0Muhacir Lazlar da, G\u00fcrc\u00fcler de ya\u015f\u0131yor, 93 Harbi muhacirleri.\u00a0\u00a0\u00c7arl\u0131k Rusyas\u0131 \u2013 Osmanl\u0131 T\u00fcrkiyesi Sava\u015f\u0131\u2019n\u0131n muhacirleri. El ele vererek bir dernek kurdular. \u00c7ok ilgin\u00e7, bu derne\u011fin insanlar\u0131ndan baz\u0131lar\u0131 Laz, baz\u0131lar\u0131 G\u00fcrc\u00fc; baz\u0131lar\u0131 anneden veya babadan Laz veya G\u00fcrc\u00fc. Bu derne\u011fe ili\u015fkin neler s\u00f6yleyebilirsiniz?<\/p>\n Bakur Gogokhia<\/strong>:\u00a0Evet, bu haberi biliyorum ve ziyadesiyle de sevindim. Lazlar\u00a0ve\u00a0\u00c7veneburiler\u00a0benim i\u00e7in hepsi bir ve hepsi benim canlar\u0131m. T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de ya\u015fayan bizimkiler,\u00a0ister Lazona\u2019dan, ister\u00a0Tao-Klarceti\u2019den\u00a0(Artvin do\u00a0Erzurum\u00a0illerinin eski ad\u0131),\u00a0\u015eav\u015feti\u2019den,\u00a0A\u00e7ara\u2019dan,\u00a0Kobuleti\u2019den\u00a0gelmi\u015f\u00a0muhacirlerin beraber olmalar\u0131 \u00e7ok \u00f6nemli.\u00a0Birlikte g\u00fc\u00e7l\u00fc oluruz ve \u00e7ok \u00f6nemli i\u015fler yapabiliriz.\u00a0B\u00f6ylesi dernekler ne kadar \u00e7ok olursa, o kadar iyi.\u00a0Ancak bir \u015fey var.\u00a0Dernek dernektir ve i\u015f yapacak. Lazca-G\u00fcrc\u00fcce\u00a0i\u00e7in,\u00a0k\u00fclt\u00fcr i\u00e7in,\u00a0kimlik i\u00e7in,\u00a0yap\u0131lacak i\u015f gelecek g\u00fcnlerde \u00e7ok fazla.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Ben bu s\u00f6yle\u015fi i\u00e7in size \u00e7ok te\u015fekk\u00fcr ederim. Sakal\u0131n\u0131z yere eri\u015fsin. T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin Lazlar\u0131 ve G\u00fcrc\u00fcleri\u2019ne ba\u015fka hangi mesajlar\u0131n\u0131z var, var m\u0131?!<\/p>\n Bakur Gogokhia<\/strong>: Burada te\u015fekk\u00fcr edilecek birisi varsa, o da sizsiniz. Yaln\u0131z bir \u015fey daha s\u00f6ylemek istiyorum Lazlar\u2019a ve G\u00fcrc\u00fcler\u2019e: Kimli\u011finizi kaybetmeyin. Laz\u2019s\u0131n\u0131z,\u00a0G\u00fcrc\u00fc\u2019s\u00fcn\u00fcz,\u00a0bunu koruyun.\u00a0Kimli\u011fin en \u00f6nemli ni\u015fanesi\u00a0dildir. G\u00fczel ve kutlu dillerinizi, Lazca\u2019y\u0131 ve G\u00fcrc\u00fcce\u2019yi koruyun.\u00a0Annelerinizin, babalar\u0131n\u0131z\u0131n, ninelerinizin,\u00a0dedelerinizin\u00a0\u00a0dillerini,\u00a0Lazcay\u0131, G\u00fcrc\u00fcce\u2019yi \u00e7ocuklar\u0131n\u0131za, torunlar\u0131n\u0131za \u00f6\u011fretin.\u00a0Ay\u0131p, Lazca\u2019y\u0131\u00a0\u201eaksanla\u201c\u00a0konu\u015fmak de\u011fil.\u00a0Ay\u0131p, dilinize tenezz\u00fcl etmemeniz, unutman\u0131z,\u00a0kaybetmenizdir.\u00a0Bana sorarsan\u0131z, bu utan\u00e7tan daha fazla bir \u015fey.<\/p>\n +<\/strong><\/p>\n (\u00d6nerilen okumalar: \u201cAbhazya Parlamentosu\u2019nun A\u00e7\u0131klamas\u0131\u201d, Kafkasya Yaz\u0131lar\u0131, Say\u0131 6, \u00c7iviyaz\u0131lar\u0131 Yay\u0131nevi, \u0130stanbul, 1999; Adile Abbaso\u011flu (\u00c7eviren: Oktay \u00c7kotua), \u201cUnutulmaz An\u0131lar\u201d, As Yay\u0131n, \u0130stanbul, 2008; A. \u0130. Kiziria (\u00c7eviren: Candan Badem), \u201cZan Dili\u201d, Ogni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi, Say\u0131, 4, \u0130stanbul, 1994; Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz (\/Faik Ate\u015f), \u201c Lazca ve Megrelce Aras\u0131ndaki \u0130li\u015fki\u201d, Ogni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi, say\u0131 1, \u0130stanbul, 1993; Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz (\/Lot\u0306i K\u0306olxuri\u015fi, \u201cG\u00fcrc\u00fc Ayd\u0131nlar\u0131na (!) Kolay Sorular\u201d, Ogni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi, Say\u0131 4, \u0130stanbul, 1994\/ kolkhoba.org; Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz, \u201c(23- 28 VII) 1994 Abkhazya- (21- 28 VIII) 2005 G\u00fcrcistan Notlar\u0131\u201d, (Yay\u0131nlananacak); Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz, \u201cPeacock\u2019un Kar\u015f\u0131la\u015ft\u0131rmal\u0131 Kafkas Dilleri S\u00f6zl\u00fc\u011f\u00fc\/1887\u201d, Ala\u015fara Dergisi, say\u0131 4, Nart Yay\u0131nc\u0131l\u0131k, \u0130stanbul, 1995;\u00a0\u00a0Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz, \u201cT\u00fcrkiye\u2019de Bir Kafkasya Dili: Lazca\u201d, Ala\u015fara Dergisi, say\u0131 7-8, Nart Yay\u0131nc\u0131l\u0131k, \u0130stanbul, 1995\/ Sima Dergisi, say\u0131 1, Sima Laz Vakf\u0131 Yay\u0131n\u0131, Ofset Haz\u0131rl\u0131k: Nart Yay\u0131nc\u0131l\u0131k, Bask\u0131: Livane, \u0130stanbul, 2000; Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz, \u201cAyn\u0131 Tarih ve Ayn\u0131 K\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fcn Dili Zanca\u2019n\u0131n G\u00fcn\u00fcm\u00fczdeki \u0130ki Diyalekti: Lazca ve Megrelce\u201d, Kafkasya Yaz\u0131lar\u0131, say\u0131 6, \u00c7iviyaz\u0131lar\u0131 Yay\u0131nevi, \u0130stanbul, 1999; Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz (\/ Fehime Yaz\u0131c\u0131), \u201cG\u00fcrc\u00fc Alfabesi ve G\u00fcrc\u00fc Edebiyat\u0131n\u0131n Kaynaklar\u0131 ve G\u00fcrc\u00fcce\u2019ye Akraba Dillerin Durumu\u201d, Tarih ve Toplum Dergisi, Say\u0131 199, \u0130leti\u015fim Yay\u0131nlar\u0131, \u0130stanbul, 2000\/ sonhaber.ch, 5 V 2020; Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz, \u201cYerel Diller\/ Anadillerini Ya\u015fatmak m\u0131 \u00d6ld\u00fcrmek mi? (Birinci b\u00f6l\u00fcm), Sima Dergisi, say\u0131 5, Sima Laz Vakf\u0131 Yay\u0131n\u0131, Fotosan Ofset, \u0130zmit, 2003; Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz, \u201cYerel Diller\/ Anadillerini Ya\u015fatmak m\u0131 \u00d6ld\u00fcrmek mi? (\u0130kinci b\u00f6l\u00fcm), Sima Dergisi, say\u0131 6, Sima Laz Vakf\u0131 Yay\u0131n\u0131, Fotosan Ofset, \u0130zmit, 2003; Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz, \u201cAnadili Y\u00f6netmelikleri ve Ger\u00e7ek\u201d, Sima Dergisi, say\u0131 7, Sima Laz Vakf\u0131 Yay\u0131n\u0131, Fotosan Ofset, \u0130zmit, 2005; Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz, \u201c\u015eu Bizim Sahipsiz Lazca\u201d, 29 V 2009, circassiancenter.com;\u00a0\u10d0\u10da\u10d8\u00a0\u10d8\u10f0\u10e1\u10d0\u10dc\u00a0\u10d0\u10e5\u10e1\u10d0\u10db\u10d0\u10d6, “\u10da\u10d0\u10d6\u10e3\u10e0\u10d8\u00a0\u10da\u10d4\u10e5\u10e1\u10d4\u10d1\u10d8\u00a0\u10d3\u10d0\u00a0\u10d6\u10e6\u10d0\u10de\u10e0\u10d4\u10d1\u10d8”,\u00a0\u10d0\u10d8\u10d0, 2(17),\u00a0\u00a0\u10d2\u10d0\u10db\u10dd\u10db\u10ea\u10d4\u10db\u10da\u10dd\u10d1\u10d0\u00a0“\u10d4\u10d2\u10e0\u10d8\u10e1\u10d8”,\u00a0\u10d7\u10d1\u10d8\u10da\u10d8\u10e1\u10d8, 2013; Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz, \u201cD\u00fcnden Bug\u00fcne Lazca Gramer ve S\u00f6zl\u00fck \u00c7al\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131\u201d, sonhaber.ch, 28 II 2020; Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz, \u201cMegrelce dergi \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131: \u201cSkani\u201d\/ \u201c\u10e1\u10e5\u10d0\u10dc\u10d8\u201d; sonhaber.ch, 16 V 2020; Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz, \u201cSovyetler Birli\u011fi\u2019nin Milliyetler Politikas\u0131 ve Kafkasya\u201d, Tarih ve Toplum Dergisi, Say\u0131 199, \u0130leti\u015fim Yay\u0131nlar\u0131, \u0130stanbul, 2000\/ sonhaber.ch, 31 V 2020;\u00a0\u00a0Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz, \u2018Hayvan \u00c7iftli\u011fi\u2019 Megrelce olarak yay\u0131nland\u0131\u201d, sonhaber.ch, 16 XI 2020; Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz, \u2018\u10e1\u10e5\u10d0\u10dc\u10d8\u2019\/ Skani\u2019nin 3. say\u0131s\u0131 yay\u0131nland\u0131, sonhaber.ch, 30 XI 2020;\u00a0Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz, \u201c\u0130lk G\u00fcrc\u00fcce- Megrelce S\u00f6zl\u00fck Yay\u0131nland\u0131\u201d, sonhaber.ch, 11 I 2021;\u00a0B. G. Hewitt ve Z. K. Khiba (\u00c7eviren: Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz), \u201c Megrelce Bir Masal: Kuzey R\u00fczg\u00e2r\u0131 ve G\u00fcne\u015f\u201d, Kafkasya Yaz\u0131lar\u0131, say\u0131 5, \u00c7iviyaz\u0131lar\u0131 Yay\u0131nevi, \u0130stanbul, 1998; \u00c7a\u011flayan \u015ei\u015fman\/ Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz, \u201cM. Recai \u00d6zg\u00fcn: Okulda Lazca Konu\u015fanlarla M\u00fccadele Kolundayd\u0131m\u201d, Yeni Kafkasya Gazetesi, Say\u0131 8, \u0130stanbul, 2003; Datua Biskaia, \u201cKartvelist Nedir?\u201d, chkineburi.wordpress.com, 11 XI 2014; Emre Ata Lyoizi\u015fi, \u201cMegreller ve Megrelya Sorunu\u201d, kolkhoba.org;\u00a0Gen\u00e7a\u011fa Karafazl\u0131\/ H. Fehmi Demir, \u201cLazlardan, Laz Dili ve Edebiyat\u0131 Anabilim Dal\u0131 istemi\u201d, evrensel.net, 30 VIII 2012;\u00a0George Hewitt (\u00c7eviren: Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz), \u201cG\u00fcney Kafkasya ve Megrel- Lazlar\u2019\u0131n K\u00fclt\u00fcrel Haklar\u0131\u201d, Ayl\u0131k Sosyalist K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi Birikim, Say\u0131 85, Birikim Yay\u0131nc\u0131l\u0131k, \u0130stanbul, 1996; Giga Kavtaradze, \u201cHayat yaln\u0131zca para ve yemek de\u011fil!\u201d, sonhaber.ch, 16 I 2021; Givi Kar\u00e7ava, \u201cGom\u0292xaderi \u0130zmoce I- II- III\u201d, Skani Nena, say\u0131lar 2, 3, 4, Laz K\u00fclt\u00fcr Derne\u011fi Yay\u0131n\u0131, \u0130stanbul, 2009- 2010; Haldun \u00d6zkan, \u201cErkan Temel: \u201cOrtak Paydam\u0131z Lazcad\u0131r\u201d, Jineps Gazetesi, \u0130stanbul, 1 VII 2006; Hasan Uzunhasano\u011flu, \u201cLazca, bir diyalekt (a\u011f\u0131z, \u015five) de\u011fil, bir dildir!\u201d, sonhaber.ch, 8 I 2021; Joakim Enwall (\u00c7eviren: Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz), \u201cQazaki\u015fi Gazeti\u201d, Ogni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi, Say\u0131 5, \u0130stanbul\/ 1994\/ Ala\u015fara Dergisi, Say\u0131 9-10, Nart Yay\u0131nc\u0131l\u0131k, \u0130stanbul, 1995- 1996;\u00a0\u00a0Josef Stalin (\u00c7eviri: Muzaffer Erdost), \u201cMarksizm ve Ulusal Sorun ve S\u00f6m\u00fcrge Sorunu\u201d, Sol Yay\u0131nlar, Ankara, 1994; \u201cKolkhuri Podkast Edit\u00f6r\u00fc\u00a0,\u201cKa\u00e7 bin y\u0131ll\u0131k dil yava\u015f yava\u015f yok olma noktas\u0131nda!\u201d, sonhaber.ch, 28 I 2021;<\/strong>\u00a0La\u015fa K\u0306odua, \u201cBiz Megreller de Laz\u0131z!\u201d, shangulishialiihsanaksamaz.blogspot.com, 27 IX 2019;\u00a0\u00a0\u201cLazlar da anadilde e\u011fitim istiyor\u201d, hurriyet.com.tr, 9 IX 2002;\u00a0\u201cMahkemeye g\u00f6re \u2018Laz\u2019 kelimesi ama\u00e7 d\u0131\u015f\u0131\u201d, demokrathaber.org, 23 XII 2012;\u00a0\u201c\u10db\u10d0\u10e4\u10e8\u10d0\u10da\u10d8\u10d0\/ Map\u015falia\u201d (Megrelce Dergi), say\u0131 1, Zugdidi; M. Mahzun Do\u011fan, \u201cFaruk Benli: Lazca, celiyrum demek de\u011fil!\u201d, Siyah Beyaz Gazetesi, 19 II 1997; Mecit \u00c7ak\u0131rusta, \u201cDilini, k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fcn\u00fc, kimli\u011fini kaybettikten sonra geriye korkacak ne kal\u0131r?\u201d, Laz K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi Tanura, Say\u0131 1, Lazika Yay\u0131nc\u0131l\u0131k, \u0130stanbul, 2011;\u00a0Melahat Bul, \u201cLazca ile M\u00fccadele Kolu Ba\u015fkanl\u0131\u011f\u0131ndan Laz K\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fcn\u00fcn Ara\u015ft\u0131r\u0131lmas\u0131na Uzanan Bir Yol: M. Recai \u00d6zg\u00fcn\u201d, Mjora Dergisi, Say\u0131 1, \u00c7iviyaz\u0131lar\u0131 Yay\u0131nevi, \u0130stanbul, 2000;\u00a0Murat Mur\u011fuli\u015fi, \u201cLazcay\u0131 Sahiplenmek\u201d,\u00a0Papirus Edebiyat Dergisi, say\u0131 14, \u0130stanbul, 2015;\u00a0Musa O\u011fuz Cede\u015fi, \u201cAnadilimiz Lazca Kayboluyor\u201d, akcakocatv.com, 30 XII 2015; Musa Karaalio\u011flu, \u201cA\u011flamayana S\u00fct Vermezler!\u201d, sonhaber.ch, 29 IV 2020;\u00a0Mustafa Kolat, \u201cKimli\u011fimiz \u00d6l\u00fcyor, Dillerimiz \u00d6l\u00fcyor!\u201d, gurcuhaber.com, 23 IV 2020;\u00a0Nugzar Dzhodzhua (\u00c7eviren: Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz), \u201cBen Bir Megrel\u2019im\u201d, Ogni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi, Say\u0131 6, \u0130stanbul, 1994\/ kolkhoba.org\/ circassiancenter.com\/tr\/; Osman Kuyumcu P\u0306izma, \u201cDil \u00d6l\u00fcrse \u0130nsanl\u0131k \u00d6l\u00fcr\u201d, lazca.org, 19 VII 2013;\u00d6nder Acar, \u201cO\u00e7am\u00e7ire\u2019deki Laz Okulu\u2019nda da \u00f6\u011frenim g\u00f6rm\u00fc\u015f anneannem!\u201d, gurcuhaber.com, 9 IV 2020;\u00a0\u00a0Ronald Wixman (\u00c7eviri: Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz), \u201cSovyetler Birli\u011fi\u2019nde Etnik Kimlik\u201d, Kafkasya Yaz\u0131lar\u0131, Say\u0131 7, \u00c7iviyaz\u0131lar\u0131 Yay\u0131nevi, \u0130stanbul, 1999;\u00a0\u201cRadio Kolha\u2019n\u0131n Redakt\u00f6r\u00fc Mi\u015fa Numani\u015fi, Tbilisi\u2019de Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz \u0130le Bir S\u00f6yle\u015fi Yapt\u0131\u201d, \u00c7veneburi K\u00fclt\u00fcrel Dergi, Say\u0131 58- 59, \u0130stanbul, 2006;\u00a0Selma Ko\u00e7iva, \u201cSe\u00e7meli Ders Modeli ve Anadil E\u011fitimi \u0130htiyac\u0131\u201d, lazca.org, 3 X 2012; \u201cSima Laz Vakf\u0131 Lazca e\u011fitim istedi\u201d, kocaeligazetesi.com.tr, 30 IV 2016; \u201cSima Vakf\u0131ndan Lazca e\u011fitim talebi\u201d, marmaragazetesi.com, 2 V 2016;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0Tariel Putkaradze, \u201cT\u00fcrkiye\u2019de Okullarda Se\u00e7meli Ders Olan Lazca Hangi Alfabe Kullan\u0131larak \u00d6\u011fretilmelidir?\u201d, gurcu.org; 31 V 2013;\u00a0Tedo Sakhokia (\u00c7eviren: Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz), \u201cMegrel-Laz K\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fcnde Akrabal\u0131k, Evlenme ve Cenaze\u201d, Tarih ve Toplum Dergisi, say\u0131 140, \u0130leti\u015fim Yay\u0131nlar\u0131, \u0130stanbul, 1995; Turhan \u00d6zt\u00fcrk,\u201cRizeli Aksamaz\u2019\u0131n Dilek\u00e7esi \u0130\u015fleme Kondu\/ TBMM Lazca Yaz\u0131lan Dilek\u00e7eyi Ek Olarak Kabul Etti\u201d, Star Gazetesi, 16 XII 2006; Vercihan Ziflio\u011flu, \u201c\u00dcniversitede Lazca talebi\u201d, aljazeera.com.tr, 17 IV 2014; Vladimir \u0130lyi\u00e7 Lenin (\u00c7eviri: Muzaffer Erdost), \u201cUluslar\u0131n Kaderlerini Tayin Hakk\u0131\u201d, Sol Yay\u0131nlar, Ankara, 1992; Ya\u015fa Tandilava, \u201cM\u00fcze tarihtir!\u201d, sonhaber.ch, 24 I 2021; Y\u0131lmaz Avc\u0131, \u201cT\u00fcrk\u00e7e\u2019yi Nas\u0131l \u00d6\u011frendik?\u201d, Yeni Kafkasya Gazetesi, Say\u0131 3, \u0130stanbul, 2002;\u00a0Y\u0131lmaz Avc\u0131 (Redakt\u00f6r:Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz), \u201cNavami\u00e7kinan Tere K\u0306olxeti\/ Bilmedi\u011fimiz \u00dclke: K\u0306olxeti (An\u0131)\u201d,\u00a0Sima Dergisi, say\u0131 8, Sima Laz Vakf\u0131 Yay\u0131n\u0131, Fotosan Ofset, \u0130zmit, 2009)<\/p>\n +<\/strong><\/p>\n \u201cMinoba\u015fi en didi p\u0306asap\u0306ort\u0306iti nena ren!\u201d<\/p>\n \n (Go\u0292\u0306otkvala: Bak\u0306ur Gogoxia\u015fi\u00a0\u00a0\u201cLazuri Gvarepe\/\u201d coxoni ketabi gami\u00e7kvinu nanano\u011fa Tbilisis, Gurcistanis. Ketabis ku\u011fun dido on\u00e7\u0306eloni coxo: \u201cLazuri Gvarepe\u201d. A\u0292\u0306i mati xes komi\u011fun aya ketabi.\u00a0\u00a0Ma int\u0306eresi maqu. Edo ma Bak\u0306ur Begi k\u0306ala int\u0306erviu\u015fi oxvenu mint\u0306u. \u00c7kin ar int\u0306erviu dop\u0306it. Aya ren \u00e7kini int\u0306erviu\u015fi t\u0306ekst\u0306i. Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi)<\/p>\n +\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi:<\/strong>\u00a0Bak\u0306ur Begi, ipti tkvani biografiten gevo\u00e7\u0306k\u0306at; biografi tkvani\u015fen b\u011far\u011falat! Tkvan sonuri ret? Namu devleti\u015fi no\u011fari, mokalake ret? Tkvan so dibadit, so ye\u00e7kindit? Namu no\u011fas varna\u00a0\u00a0oput\u0306es dibadit, ye\u00e7kindit? Namu n\u0292\u0306opulapes igurit? Mu mesle\u011fi, p\u0306rofe\u0292ia gi\u011funan? Mu dulya ikipt tkvan? \u00c7ileri reti? Berepe giqounani?<\/p>\n Bak\u0306ur Gogoxia:<\/strong>\u00a0Maartani, mu na minon gi\u0292\u0306vat, didi mardoba ren – mardi tkvani int\u0306eresi do int\u0306erviu\u015feni, am\u00a0Lazuri gazeti\u015f gama\u015fkvinu\u015feni,\u00a0Lazoba\u015feni na i\u0292adebut, emu\u015feni.<\/p>\n Ma zugdiduri vore,\u00a0Okortura\u015f mokalake.\u00a0Zugdidi ar mskva no\u011fa ren\u00a0Okorturas,\u00a0Samargalo\u015f muxuris.\u00a0Mati ek dovibadi, ek dovirdi do ekti bxer. 2000 \u0292\u0306anas\u00a0Zugdidi\u015fi\u00a0\u21163 o\u015fkenuri sk\u0306ola dovo\u00e7odini do hem \u0292\u0306anasti\u00a0Tbilisi\u015f\u00a0\u0130vane\u00a0Cavaxi\u015fvili\u015f\u00a0Oxen\u0292aluri\u00a0Universit\u0306et\u0306i\u015f\u00a0\u0130uridiul\u00a0Fak\u0306ult\u0306et\u0306is ogurapu kogevo\u00e7\u0306k\u0306i do 2005 \u0292\u0306anas eti dovo\u00e7odini. 2011 \u0292\u0306ana\u015fendoni\u00a0Tbilisi\u015fi majura, cger andria p\u0306irvel\u0292\u0306odebuli\u015fi\u00a0Kortuli\u00a0Universit\u0306et\u0306isti dokt\u0306orant\u0306ura kogevo\u00e7\u0306k\u0306i etnologia\u015feni. 2007 \u0292\u0306ana\u015fendoni vi\u00e7ali\u015fam.\u00a0A\u0292\u0306i ar svaloni organiza\u0292ias p\u0306roekt\u0306i\u015f k\u0306oordinat\u0306ori vore. o\u00e7ilu a\u00e7\u0306it\u0306a domaianu.\u00a0Berepeti va miqonun.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi<\/strong>: Bak\u0306ur Begi, tkvan Apxazeti\u015fen get\u0306k\u0306o\u00e7ineri, muhaciri ret. E\u015fo mi\u00e7kin. Mtini bzop\u0306oni?! Edo Apxazeti\u015fen get\u0306k\u0306o\u00e7ineri \u00e7kineburepe\u015fi t\u0306rajedi xvala entepe\u015fi vardo, mtel k\u0306o\u00e7inoba\u015fi t\u0306rajedi ren. Mu isimadept aya tema\u015fi jin?<\/p>\n Bak\u0306ur Gogoxia<\/strong>: Ma\u00a0Apxazeti\u015fe va vore.\u00a0Mu\u00e7\u0306oti na gi\u0292\u0306vit,\u00a0Zugdidi\u015fe vore, mara \u00e7kimi oxori\u015fe\u00a0Apxazeti\u015f svalepe k\u0306ai i\u017eiren.\u00a0Zugdidi\u015fen\u00a0Apxazeti\u015fa, iri\u015fen xolosoni aras, 3 k\u0306ilomet\u0306riti va go\u015fa\u017ein. t\u0306ragedia dido didi rt\u0306u do koren.\u00a0\u0130a 1990-on \u0292\u0306anapes va ge\u00e7\u0306k\u0306aperen.\u00a0Amk\u0306ata u\u00e7a d\u011falepe \u00e7kini ist\u0306orias op\u015fa ren.\u00a0Apxazeti\u015fen get\u0306k\u0306o\u00e7eri ekoni, svaloni\u00a0Margalepe\u015feni daha ma-17 uk\u0306unisti\/\u00a0iuzilisti ambari mom\u00e7aman mcve\u015fi maist\u0306oriepek.\u00a0Aia \u00e7kini xtimeri\u015fi do and\u011faneroba\u015fi ek\u0306o derini do gurmeo\u00e7\u0306vinoni t\u0306ragedia ren ki, jur-sum zit\u0306aten do ginon o\u015fi int\u0306erviuten va i\u00e7oden.\u00a0Ma bere vort\u0306i, 9 \u0292\u0306aneri. k\u0306remli\u015fi m\u0292udepeten mo\u011ferdineri\u00a0Abazapek,\u00a0Ruseti\u015f, melenk\u0306avk\u0306asiarepe\u015fi do bazi \u00e7kvape\u015f memxvacuten,\u00a0Apxazetis k\u0306ab\u011fa mo\u011fodes. a\u015fo btkvat do aia do majurati, \u0292xinvalis na iqu, k\u0306ab\u011fape\u00a0SSRK\u0306-\u015fen gamaxtimima\u015fi do oxo\u015fkva\u015feni\u00a0Rusetik\u00a0Okorturas na giodu ceza iqu.\u00a0Heia k\u0306ab\u011fas okortura xvala kodoskidu\u00a0Mosk\u0306ova\u015f silahis do p\u0306rop\u0306agandas medgineri. tabi, kogemocgines k\u0306ab\u011fas, mara skidala emuten va i\u00e7oden.\u00a0\u00c7kini gecginoba\u015fi orati komulun.\u00a0Zugdidis oxori-\u00e7kimi \u0292ent\u0306raluri sok\u0306a\u011fis dgin.\u00a0Apxazeti\u015fen get\u0306k\u0306o\u00e7eri mileti, kimi k\u0306u\u00e7xeten, kimi xocepes do \u0292xenepes mebuneri nca\u015fi arabapeten,\u00a0\u00a0kimi gon\u00e7\u0306ip\u0306eri makinapeten, xelepes mgariner-m\u015fkironeri berepe doka\u00e7eri, toli-\u00e7kimiten mi\u017eirapun. ak nena dovo\u00e7odinaminon.\u00a0Monk\u0306a ren go\u015finu.\u00a0Aia rt\u0306u kortupe\u015fi (en dido margalepe\u015fi) etnik\u0306uri o\u0292\u0306imidu – \u201eetno\u0292idi\u201c.\u00a0\u00a030 000 k\u0306o\u00e7i doqviles do 250 000 get\u0306k\u0306o\u00e7es oxori-mu\u015fi\u015fe. a\u015fo u\u00e7a do di\u0292xironi duliape xvala okorturas var do dido kianas iqven –\u00a0Uk\u0306rainas,\u00a0Azerbaicanis,\u00a0Serbetis,\u00a0Moldovas do a\u015fo. p\u0306olit\u0306ik\u0306uri, ek\u0306onomik\u0306uri, mu na unon rt\u0306as, maana-sebebepeten, ak\u0306onai var, ar k\u0306o\u00e7i\u015f oqviluti \u0292oda\u00a0ren.\u00a0Vicer, dobadona-\u00e7kini xoloti ok\u0306uim\u0292xven do \u0292\u0306k\u0306uni\u015fi do omgaru\u015fi hem d\u011falepe xelebaten guiktiren.\u00a0A\u015fo ren, tek m\u0292\u0306k\u0306upi ktirams, d\u011fak seri.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi<\/strong>: Bak\u0306ur Begi, ma xolo komi\u00e7kin ki, tkvan op\u015fa k\u0306ap\u0306et\u0306i Lazuri\u00a0\u011far\u011falapt!\u00a0<\/em><\/strong>Edo matkven ki, Lazi gamantanerepe\u015fi dido\u015fen dido k\u0306ai gi\u00e7kinan Lazuri; o\u011far\u011faluti, o\u00e7\u0306aruti. E\u015fo mi\u00e7kin. Solen igurit Lazuri nena mu\u00e7\u0306o \u0292\u0306k\u0306ari e\u015fo?!<\/p>\n Bak\u0306ur Gogoxia<\/strong>: Aia om\u0292kvapu\u015fi nenape ren.\u00a0Ar\u00e7kva xolo mardi mogo\u015finamt.\u00a0Lazuri iani \u00e7\u0306anuri,\u00a0Margaluri\u015f,\u00a0Kortuli\u015f do\u00a0Svanuri\u015f iani\u00a0\u015eonuri\u015fk\u0306ala arto, kogi\u00e7kinan, \u00e7kini nenape\u015fen arte\u011fi ren do amute \u00e7ku dido zengini voret.\u00a0Dunias\/\u00a0kianas dido mileti va ga\u017eirenan, ak\u0306onari nena\u015fi mance rt\u0306as.\u00a0Ma vizmon ki,\u00a0Lazuri do\u00a0Margaluri ar nena ren, dialekt\u0306epe ren.\u00a0Mcve\u015fi\u00a0Kortulis do\u00a0Ber\u017eenulis am nenas ar coxo gio\u017eit\u0306u – \u00e7kini mcve\u015fepek \u201eMegruli\u201c ucoxamt\u0306es,\u00a0Ber\u017eenepek \u201ek\u0306olxuri\u201c. masumani, bilimuri\/m\u00e7kinaluri t\u0306erminiti ixmarinen – \u201eZanuri\u201c.\u00a0Mteli ham nenapes bilimuri t\u0306erminiti kogio\u017ein – \u201eKartveluri\u201c, mu\u00e7\u0306oti\u00a0Germanuli,\u00a0\u0130nglisuri,\u00a0Norvegiuli,\u00a0Daniuri do xolo \u00e7kva nenapes \u201eGermanik\u0306uli\u201c, p\u0306arsulis,\u00a0Kurtulis, t\u0306acik\u0306uris do \u00e7kvapes \u201e\u0130ranuli\u201c do a\u015fo.\u00a0\u00c7kini nenape dido mcve\u015fi do k\u0306ap\u0306et\u0306i ren, mara galeni oxen\u0292alepek, imp\u0306eriapek (entepe\u015fi coxope ak va molab\u015finam) \u00e7kini dobadonas xe gedves do ok\u0306uirtes, \u00e7kini na rt\u0306u dido zit\u0306ape gomo\u00e7\u0306k\u0306ondes do kagomindines.\u00a0Entepe\u015f ierine iabancuri zit\u0306ape do bazi nenoburi st\u0306rukt\u0306urati kebzdit.\u00a0Dido \u00e7kva ondepeti kort\u0306u.\u00a0Otkvalu\u015fi gin\u017ee ren do ak va moli\u015finen.\u00a0A\u015fo \u00e7kini nenapeti tamo-tamo dimendranu –\u00a0Margaluri\u00a0Kortuli\u015fe dimendranu,\u00a0Lazuri\u00a0Margaluri\u015fe, art\u0306a\u015fenuri\u00a0Xopuri\u015fe,\u00a0Xopuri\u00a0\u00c7xaluri\u015fe do a\u015fo, mara cici ar kodoskidu, mu\u00e7\u0306oti ar ocaxi, ar nca.\u00a0Mati ak, int\u0306ervius, k\u0306ai o\u0292\u0306k\u0306ert,\u00a0Lazuri\u015fi dialekt\u0306epe oxovunt\u0306alam.<\/p>\n Ma\u00a0Megruli\/\u00a0Margaluri do\u00a0Kortuli dido k\u0306ai mi\u00e7kin. oxoris, ti-\u00e7kimi na m\u015funs, iro\/p\u0306anda\u00a0Margaluri mi\u011far\u011falapt\u0306es nana-babak, nandid-p\u0306ap\u0306ulik. e\u015fo mazmonen ki, nana-baba\u015fk\u0306ala, cuma\u00e7kimi\u015fk\u0306ala, megabrep- natesepe\u015fk\u0306ala megruli\u015fen \u00e7kva nenaten varti ma\u011far\u011falen.\u00a0A\u015fo kogevagit.\u00a0Anaokulisti do okulisti o\u011fretmenepe\u015fk\u0306ala bazi\u00a0Margaluri b\u011far\u011falapt\u0306it berepek. a\u015fopeten,\u00a0Margaluri do\u00a0Kortuli k\u0306ai gi\u00e7kin na,\u00a0Lazuriti dido k\u0306olai oxo\u0292\u0306onap, doguraputi ek\u0306onai va dva\u00e7\u0306irs.\u00a0Amu\u015f galeti, ma dido\u00a0Lazi megabre miqonun, \u00e7\u0306aneti\u015fa\/\u00a0Lazona\u015fa govulur,\u00a0Lazepe\u015fk\u0306ala dobdgitur, entepeti \u00e7kimda mulunan oxori\u015fa.\u00a0Okorturas gamo\u015fkvineri\u00a0Lazuri \u0292\u0306ignepe\/\u00a0kitabepe mteli komi\u011fun, baziti turketis na gio\u00e7\u0306k\u0306es \u0292\u0306ignepe\u015f gama\u015fkvinu, entepeti komi\u011fun. mk\u0306uleten,\u00a0Lazepe\u015fk\u0306ala,\u00a0Lazuri\u015fk\u0306ala, matkven ki, k\u0306artad\u011faluri k\u0306ont\u0306akt\u0306i mi\u011fun.\u00a0Arti – int\u0306eresiti koren.\u00a0Bere vort\u0306i\u015fi, mektebis ist\u0306oria\/tarixi vik\u0306txamt\u0306it, o\u011fretmenikti\u00a0Lazepe\u015fen dido ambarepe mi\u0292\u0306umert\u0306es – \u201eAini margalepe renan\u201c, \u201eMargaluristeri \u011far\u011falaman\u201c, \u201eAmk\u0306ata adeti u\u011funan\u201c do a\u015fo.\u00a0Mati mera\u011fi domaqu. k\u0306o\u00e7is \u0292\u0306iminde guriten unon na, mu va axvenen?\u00a0Tkva k\u0306ai tkvit, \u201emu\u00e7\u0306o \u0292\u0306k\u0306ari\u201c-ia do mati a\u015fo dovo\u00e7odinam – minoba-mu\u015fi na qorops k\u0306o\u00e7i\u015feni nena-mu\u015fi \u0292\u0306k\u0306aristeri dva\u00e7\u0306ironi ren.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi<\/strong>: A\u0292\u0306iti komoptat tkvani ketabi\u015fa: \u201cLazuri Gvarepe\u201d. Mu\u015feni amk\u0306ata ketabi \u00e7\u0306arit, aya ketabi. Mu gagnapaten \u00e7\u0306arit? Muk\u0306o \u0292\u0306anas \u00e7\u0306arit? Miepek megi\u015fveles? Solen ambarepe do rabisk\u0306ape gaqves, solen megixtes dok\u0306umanepe? Lazepek, Lazi gamantanerepek in\u00e7\u0306elnani tkvani ketabi?<\/p>\n Bak\u0306ur Gogoxia<\/strong>: Gin\u017ee otkvalu\u015fi ren.\u00a0Gvari\u015fi coxo iani soiadi, k\u0306ai gi\u00e7kinan, k\u0306o\u00e7i\u015fi, mileti\u015fi, a\u015fo btkvat do, p\u0306asap\u0306ort\u0306i ren.\u00a0Gvariten ignapinen do oxi\u0292\u0306oninen, mi mi ren, mi rt\u0306u, mu\u00e7\u0306o rt\u0306u, mu ikomt\u0306u, mi solen mulun do xolo dido ondepe. and\u011fa matkvenan ki, \u00e7kineburi gvarepe, gvari\u015f\/\u00a0gvarcoxo\u015fi sist\u0306ema mtel dunias art-arti iri\u015fen mcve\u015fi ren.\u00a0Amuk k\u0306ai mo\u017eiraman, muk\u0306o didi k\u0306ult\u0306ura mi\u011funan.\u00a0Mesela, eni mcve\u015fi \u00e7kineburi gvari \u00e7\u0306areli k\u0306aina\u011fis ma-8 uk\u0306uni\u015fen mi\u00e7kinan.\u00a0\u00c7kineburepe\u015fen eni mcve\u015fi\u00a0Lazuri gvariti\u00a0Kortuli \u00e7\u0306areli k\u0306aina\u011fi\u015fen mi\u00e7kinan – gvari \u201e\u015eanipxe\u201c a\u0292\u0306ineri iusupeli\u015f il\u00e7e\u015f oput\u0306e p\u0306arxalis (Turkuli coxo: Alt\u0131parmak) na dgin ma-10 uk\u0306uni\u015f\u00a0Kortuli oxvame\u015f k\u0306idas\/duvaris no\u00e7\u0306ars. ma-12-13 uk\u0306uni\u015f\u00a0Kortuli no\u00e7\u0306arepe\u015fen gvari \u201ekert\u0306a\u015fi\u201c kodomiskides.\u00a0Lazonak osmalepe\u015f imp\u0306eria\u015fa amaxtu\u015fk\u0306ule, ak mcve\u015fi\u00a0Lazuri gvarepe tamo-tamo kagondinu.\u00a0Osmalepes gvarepe va u\u011fut\u0306es.\u00a0Mu\u015febura st\u0306rukt\u0306uriten i\u00e7\u0306aret\u0306es, mara na u\u011fut\u0306es miletepe\u015fi gvarepe osmaluri devterepes dido ma\u017eirenan.\u00a0Eni mcve\u015fi devteri ren 1486 \u0292\u0306ana\u015fi.\u00a0\u00a0Lazeti\u015fi eni didi no\u0292\u0306ile daha osmaleti\u015fi do ek\u0306ule\u00a0Turketi\u015fi doloxe rt\u0306u. 1934 \u0292\u0306anasti\u00a0\u2018Soyad\u0131 Kanunu\u2019ten\u00a0Turkuli na va rt\u0306u gvarepe iasaxi doqves, kogi\u00e7kinan.\u00a0Amu\u015feniti\u00a0Turketis mcve\u015fi svaloni gvarepe\u015fi doguraputi dido p\u0306roblemoni rt\u0306u do mitikti va ikomt\u0306u.\u00a0A\u015fkurinet\u0306es.\u00a0Okorturas \u00e7kineburi gvarepe\u015feni dido \u0292\u0306ignepe, mak\u0306alepe i\u00e7\u0306aru.\u00a0Lazuri gvarepe\u015fenti iptineri bilimuri mak\u0306alepe\u00a0Batumi do\u00a0Tbilisis i\u00e7\u0306aru, mara \u0292\u0306igni daha va mi\u011fut\u0306es.\u00a0Okortura ssrk\u0306-s na nom\u0292xut\u0306u\u015feni\u00a0Kortu m\u00e7kinalepe\u015feni\u00a0Turketis,\u00a0Lazepe\u015fk\u0306ala bilimuri o\u00e7ali\u015fu iasaxi rt\u0306u.\u00a0Entepek xvala\u00a0Sarpi\u015fi gvarepe iguramt\u0306es.\u00a0Turketis\u00a0Lazuri gvarepe\u015feni mutu va i\u00e7\u0306aret\u0306u.\u00a0Osmaluri devterepeti mitik va digurapt\u0306u.\u00a0A\u0292\u0306i\u015fakis a\u015fo mi\u00e7kit\u0306es ki, xvala -(i)\u015fi\/-i\u015fi, -ber, -sk\u0306ir, -pxe do -(u)va\u00a0<\/strong>gvarmxvenu uk\u0306um\u0292xvinapeten\/sonek\u0306 ixvenet\u0306u\u00a0Lazuri gvarepe, vanati \u00e7kar mutu va num\u0292xut\u0306u.\u00a0Mara\u00a0Osmaluri devterepek mo\u017eiraman ki,\u00a0Lazepek \u2013V\u00a0van, -ian do -\u017ee \u00e7odinapeten ikomt\u0306es gvarepe-mutepe\u015fi.\u00a0\u0130ani, minon btkva ki,\u00a0Turketis gamantaneri k\u0306o\u00e7epek – Muhammet Safi, Murat\u00a0\u00dcmit Hi\u00e7y\u0131lmaz, Murat Kaya, Hanefi M. Bostan, Sezgin Demircio\u011flu, S\u00fcleyman Bilgin do \u00e7kvapek\u00a0hem\u00a0Osmanluri devterepe\u015feni dido i\u00e7ali\u015fes, digures, gama\u015fkves.\u00a0Amu\u015feni ma entepes didi mardi vu\u0292\u0306umer.\u00a0Entepe\u015fi \u0292\u0306ignepe –\u00a0\u0130ani and\u011faneri\u00a0Turkuli\u015fa goktireli mcve\u015fi\u00a0Osmaluri devterepe rt\u0306u \u00e7kimi \u0292\u0306igni\u015fi eni beciti k\u0306aina\u011fepe, rabisk\u0306ape.\u00a0Dido memi\u015fvelu\u00a0Kortu m\u00e7kinacepe\u015fi\u00a0Guram k\u0306art\u0306ozia\u015fi,\u00a0Nik\u0306o\u00a0Mari\u015fi,\u00a0\u0130oseb\u00a0Qip\u015fi\u017ee\u015fi,\u00a0\u0130rine\u00a0Asatiani\u015fi,\u00a0\u0130uri\u00a0Sixaruli\u017ee\u015fi \u0292\u0306ignepek.\u00a0Xoloti memi\u015fvelu\u00a0\u0130smail\u00a0Bucak\u0306li\u015fi\u015fi do\u00a0\u0130rfan\u00a0Aleksiva\u015fi \u201esvacoxok\u201c.\u00a0Dido on\u00e7\u0306eloni ren mcve\u015fi xarit\u0306apeti do \u00e7kva.<\/p>\n \u00c7kimi\u015feni do eni \u0292\u0306oxle,\u00a0Lazuri\u015feni dido beciti rt\u0306u \u2013V\u00a0van sonek\u0306iten \u0292\u0306opxeri gvarepe.\u00a0Am sonek\u0306i\u015fen mulun\u00a0Lazur-Megruli gvarepe\u015fi majurani gvarcoxoburi sonek\u0306i, \u201e-va\u201c na u\u0292\u0306umernan.\u00a0Antepek\u00a0Lazepe\u015fi ist\u0306oria\u015feni dido \u00e7kinape mom\u00e7aman, ak\u015fa na va mi\u00e7kit\u0306es do na va madu\u015funet\u0306esk\u0306onari.\u00a0Dept\u0306erepes xolo dido inporma\u0292ia kome\u015fa\u017ein. \u00e7\u0306ume-\u00a0gend\u011fani mteli gamimpinasinon mjora\u015f te\u015fa.<\/p>\n \u0292\u0306igni\u00a0Kortuli nenaten b\u00e7\u0306ari do\u00a0Turkuli do\u00a0\u0130nglisuri reziumepeti ku\u011fun.\u00a0Arti, iulva\u00a0Lazona\u015fi xarit\u0306ati num\u0292xun.\u00a0O\u00e7\u0306aru 2016 \u0292\u0306anas,\u00a0Maria\u015fina\u015f tutas dovo\u00e7odini.\u00a0Ar \u0292\u0306ana b\u00e7\u0306arumt\u0306i, a\u011fan-a\u011fani k\u0306aina\u011fepeten, \u00e7kinapeten vop\u015famt\u0306i, mara k\u0306omp\u0306iut\u0306eris mtelixolo gomindinu, k\u0306omp\u0306iut\u0306eri ok\u0306omaxu.\u00a0Aia \u00e7kimi\u015feni dido didi t\u0306ravma rt\u0306u, mara va meva\u015fkvi.\u00a0Ar\u00e7kva xolo dob\u00e7\u0306ari a\u011fne\u015fa, jur tuta\u015fi doloxe.\u00a0Oxoris bxet\u0306i do xvala aia dulia vikomt\u0306i.\u00a0Megabrepekti\u00a0Lazona\u015fen,\u00a0T\u0306rap\u0306uzani\u015fen,\u00a0Rize\u015fen,\u00a0Tbilisi\u015fen,\u00a0Soxumi\u015fen,\u00a0Kutaisi\u015fen, mis mu\u00e7\u0306o axvenet\u0306u, e\u015fo memi\u015fveles.\u00a0Mtelis mardi.<\/p>\n Lazi gamantanerepe\u015feni mu gi\u0292\u0306vat?\u00a0Entepes \u00e7kini alboni\u015fi ok\u0306itxu va u\u00e7kinan, nenati va u\u00e7kinan do va ak\u0306itxenan.\u00a0Turkuli\u015fa gobktiramint\u0306u \u0292\u0306igni, mara emus, kogi\u00e7kinan, dido ondi dva\u00e7\u0306irs.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi<\/strong>: Bak\u0306ur Begi, beki tkvan gi\u00e7kinan, bekiti va gi\u00e7kinan, ma va ma\u00e7kinen; Turkiye\u015fi no\u011fa Sak\u0306aryas Muhaciri Lazepeti, Gurcepeti\u00a0\u00a0skidunan, 93 \u0292\u0306ana\u015fi Muhacirepe, Ruseti- Osmaneti Harbi\u015fi Muhacirepe. Entepek ar derne\u011fi gedges, xe- ok\u0306ok\u0306limeri. Op\u015fa on\u00e7\u0306eloni ren ki, aya derne\u011fi\u015fi k\u0306o\u00e7epe\u015fen namtinepe, bazepe Lazi; namtinepe Gurci; namtinepeti nana\u015fen varna baba\u015fen Lazi varna Gurci renan. Aya derne\u011fi\u015fi jin muepe gatkvenan?<\/p>\n Bak\u0306ur Gogoxia<\/strong>:\u00a0ko, mi\u00e7kin aia ambai do didoti maxelu.\u00a0Lazepe do\u00a0\u00c7veneburepe \u00e7kimi\u015feni mteli ar ren do \u00e7kimi ren.\u00a0Turketis na skidunan mteli \u00e7ineburepe\u015fi – ginon\u00a0Lazona\u015fen, ginon\u00a0T\u0306ao-K\u0306larceti\u015fen (Artvini do\u00a0Erzurumi\u015fi ilepe\u015feni na itkven tarixuri coxo),\u00a0\u015eav\u015feti\u015fen,\u00a0A\u00e7\u0306ara\u015fen,\u00a0Kobuleti\u015fen xtimeri muhacirepe\u015fi\u00a0arto oqopinu dido\u015fen dido beciti ren.\u00a0Arto \u00e7ku menceloni viqvert do op\u015fa beciti duliapeti maxvenenan.\u00a0Amk\u0306ata derne\u011fepe nak\u0306o dido iqven, ek\u0306o k\u0306ai ren.\u00a0Mara ar ondi – derne\u011fi derne\u011fi ren do emuk dulia qvasinon.\u00a0Oxvenu\u015fi duliati,\u00a0Lazur-Kortuli nenape\u015feni, k\u0306ult\u0306uri\u015feni, minoba\u015feni, \u00e7\u0306umenerd\u011fa\u015feni dido ren.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi<\/strong>: Ma aya int\u0306erviu \u015feni \u015fukuri gi\u0292\u0306umert; pimpili dixa\u015fa. Mu \u00e7kva mesajepe gi\u011funan, gi\u011funani, Turkiye\u015fi Lazepe do Gurcepe \u015feni?!<\/p>\n Bak\u0306ur Gogoxia:<\/strong>\u00a0Ak \u015fukuri do mardi miti\u015fa otkvalu ren-na, ia tkva ret.\u00a0Xvala ar ondi minon vu\u0292\u0306va\u00a0Lazepes do\u00a0Gurcepes – minoba va gondunat.\u00a0Lazi ret,\u00a0Gurci ret do aia k\u0306aixe\u015fa ko\u015finaxit.\u00a0Minoba\u015fi en didi p\u0306asap\u0306ort\u0306iti nena ren –\u00a0\u00c7kini mskva do xvameri nenape –\u00a0Lazuri do\u00a0Gurculi.\u00a0Nanape, babape, nandidepe, p\u0306ap\u0306ulepe, berepe-tkvanis, motalepe-tkvanis\u00a0Lazuri,\u00a0Gurculi dogurit.\u00a0Onc\u011fore\u00a0Lazuri \u201eaksaniten\u201c o\u011far\u011falu va ren,\u00a0Onc\u011fore nena-skanis na var nik\u0306ardep, na gui\u00e7\u0306k\u0306endinam, na gondinam, ia ren.\u00a0Do mk\u0306itxumt-na, onc\u011fore\u015fen daha didoti.<\/p>\n +<\/strong><\/p>\n 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