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Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz\u00a0\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n (\u00d6n a\u00e7\u0131klama: Bug\u00fcnk\u00fc misafirim Mehmet Ender Savc\u0131n. Mehmet Ender Savc\u0131n, donan\u0131ml\u0131 \u201cG\u00fcrc\u00fc\u201d\/ \u201c\u00c7veneburi\u201d Ayd\u0131nlar\u0131ndan.\u00a0 Bug\u00fcnk\u00fc Laz Ayd\u0131nlar\u0131 bilmiyor; Mehmet Ender Savc\u0131n da L\u00fctfi Baysal gibi bir Laz dostu; Laz Ayd\u0131nlar\u0131na destek oldu. \u201cLazlar\u0131n Tarihi\u201d adl\u0131 kitab\u0131n yay\u0131nlanmas\u0131 i\u00e7in Hayri Hayrio\u011flu Malaqmadze ile Ant Yay\u0131nlar\u0131 aras\u0131nda k\u00f6pr\u00fc olmu\u015f. Ortak dostlar\u0131m\u0131z da vard\u0131: Y\u00fcksel Y\u0131lmaz Yamakho\u011flu, Tufan \u015eafak Y\u00fcksel Lominadze vd. Mehmet Ender Savc\u0131n ile biyografisi ve k\u00fclt\u00fcrel \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131na ili\u015fkin konu\u015ftum. Bu metin, s\u00f6yle\u015fimize ait. Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz)<\/p>\n +<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: \u00d6nce biyografinizden konu\u015fal\u0131m da \u00f6yle ba\u015flayal\u0131m, olur mu?! Nerede ve ne zaman do\u011fdunuz? Hangi okullarda \u00f6\u011fretim g\u00f6rd\u00fcn\u00fcz? Mesle\u011finiz nedir? Evli misiniz? \u00c7ocuklar\u0131n\u0131z var m\u0131? Torunlar\u0131n\u0131z var m\u0131?\u00a0 \u015eu anda nerede \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yorsunuz? Hangi dilleri biliyorsunuz?\u00a0 Bize kendinizden bahsedin, l\u00fctfen!<\/p>\n Mehmet Ender Savc\u0131n<\/strong>:\u00a01952\u2019de \u0130stanbul- Be\u015fikta\u015f do\u011fumluyum. Kad\u0131rga \u0130lk\u00f6\u011fretim Okulu, Gedik Pa\u015fa Ortaokulu orta ikinci s\u0131n\u0131fa kadar \u00f6\u011frenim g\u00f6rd\u00fcm. Evliyim. \u00c7ocu\u011fum yok. Emekliyim. T\u00fcrk\u00e7e ve G\u00fcrc\u00fcce biliyorum.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Siz Muhacir \u201c\u00c7veneburiler\u201dden misiniz? Yerli G\u00fcrc\u00fclerden misiniz? G\u00fcrc\u00fcce soyad\u0131n\u0131z nedir? G\u00fcrcistan\u2019da akrabalar\u0131n\u0131z var m\u0131?<\/p>\n Mehmet Ender Savc\u0131n:<\/strong>\u00a0Babaannem Sapancal\u0131 G\u00fcrc\u00fclerden. (\u0130stanbul) Saray\u2019a yerle\u015fmi\u015f. B\u00fcy\u00fckbabam\u0131n babas\u0131 Saray\u2019da ku\u015f\u00e7uba\u015f\u0131ym\u0131\u015f. B\u00fcy\u00fckbabam babaannemi Saraydan alm\u0131\u015f. Be\u015fikta\u015f- Abbasa\u011fa Mahallesine yerle\u015fmi\u015f. B\u00fcy\u00fckbabam\u0131n k\u00f6kenini tam olarak bilmiyorum (Sarayl\u0131 oldu\u011fu i\u00e7in saray ar\u015fivlerinden ara\u015ft\u0131rma yapmam gerekiyor). Anneannem, Batum muhacirinin k\u0131z\u0131. D\u00fczce- \u00c7ilimli\u2019ye yerle\u015fmi\u015f. Annemin babas\u0131 da Bulgaristan muhaciridir. Onlar da D\u00fczceye yerle\u015fmi\u015fler. Annemin anne soyad\u0131 “Gorgo\u015fadze” . G\u00fcrcistan\u2019da akrabalar\u0131m\u0131z var.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz:<\/strong> Ahmet \u00d6zkan Mela\u015fvili, Hayri Hayrio\u011flu Malaqmadze ve Ak\u0131n \u015eanver\u2019i tan\u0131yor muydunuz? Onlarla ne zaman tan\u0131\u015ft\u0131n\u0131z?<\/p>\n Mehmet Ender Savc\u0131n:<\/strong>\u00a0Ahmet \u00d6zkan ve Hayri Hayrio\u011flu\u2019nu tan\u0131yordum. 1976 senelerinde onlarla tan\u0131\u015ft\u0131m.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: 1968\u2019de \u0130stanbul\u2019da yay\u0131nlanan \u201cG\u00fcrc\u00fcstan\u201d adl\u0131 kitab\u0131 ilk ne zaman g\u00f6rd\u00fcn\u00fcz ve okudunuz?<\/p>\n Mehmet Ender Savc\u0131n<\/strong>: Bursa’ya gitti\u011fimde Ahmet \u00d6zkan\u2019dan tedarik etmi\u015ftim.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz:<\/strong>\u00a0 \u201c\u00c7veneburi Dergisi\u201d neden T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de de\u011fil de \u0130sve\u00e7\u2019te yay\u0131nland\u0131? \u201c\u00c7veneburi Dergisi, neden \u00f6nce \u0130sve\u00e7\u2019te sonra da \u0130stanbul\u2019da yay\u0131nland\u0131? Eski \u201c\u00c7veneburi Dergisi\u201d ile ne zaman tan\u0131\u015ft\u0131n\u0131z? Bu dergiye madd\u00ee- manev\u00ee destek verdiniz mi?<\/p>\n Mehmet Ender Savc\u0131n<\/strong>: Yay\u0131nlanma \u0130sve\u00e7\u2019ten \u00a0\u0130stanbul\u2019a ge\u00e7tikten sonra, dergiyle\u00a0 tan\u0131\u015ft\u0131m. Abone oldu\u011fum i\u00e7in h\u00e2liyle madd\u00ee destek olduk.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz:<\/strong> Ge\u00e7en y\u0131l Pridon Khalva\u015fi\u2019nin \u201cOmri\u201d ve Saba Artvineli\u2019nin kitaplar\u0131 yay\u0131nland\u0131. Bu kitaplar\u0131 okudunuz mu? Neler s\u00f6yleyebilirsiniz?<\/p>\n Mehmet Ender Savc\u0131n:<\/strong> Evet, okudum.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz:<\/strong> \u201cG\u00fcrc\u00fcstan\u201d adl\u0131 kitab\u0131 Ahmet \u00d6zkan Mela\u015fvili\u2019nin yazmad\u0131\u011f\u0131, Moskova\u2019da Frans\u0131zca olarak yay\u0131nlanm\u0131\u015f bir kitab\u0131n \u00e7evirisi oldu\u011fu s\u00f6yleniyor? Ne diyorsunuz?<\/p>\n Mehmet Ender Savc\u0131n<\/strong>: Bu konu hakk\u0131nda bilgim yok.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz:<\/strong> Ahmet \u00d6zkan Mela\u015fvili\u2019nin G\u00fcrc\u00fc K\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fcyle ilgilendi\u011fi i\u00e7in \u00f6ld\u00fcr\u00fclmedi\u011fi s\u00f6yleniyor? Neler s\u00f6yleyebilirsiniz?<\/p>\n Mehmet Ender Savc\u0131n:<\/strong> Bilmiyorum.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz:<\/strong> Ahmet \u00d6zkan Mela\u015fvili\u2019nin \u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fcnden ancak 13 y\u0131l sonra \u201c\u00c7veneburi Dergisi\u201d yeniden yay\u0131nland\u0131. Neden 13 y\u0131l yay\u0131nlanmad\u0131?<\/p>\n Mehmet Ender Savc\u0131n<\/strong>:\u00a0\u0130leti\u015fim ve ekonomik zorluklardan dolay\u0131 bu s\u00fcrecin uzad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz:<\/strong>\u00a0 \u201cLazlar\u0131n Tarihi\u201d adl\u0131 kitap Hayri Hayrio\u011flu Malaqmadze\u2019nin \u00e7evirisiyle 1992\u2019de yay\u0131nland\u0131. Bu kitab\u0131n yay\u0131nlanmas\u0131na sizin de katk\u0131n\u0131z oldu; \u00f6yle biliyorum. Do\u011fru mu?<\/p>\n Mehmet Ender Savc\u0131n<\/strong>: Evet, do\u011fru katk\u0131m oldu.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: \u201cLazlar\u0131n Tarihi\u201d konusunda\u00a0 bir gazetede makaleleriniz yay\u0131nland\u0131; \u00f6yle duydum. Hangi gazeteydi? Ne zaman? Bu konuda bilgi verebilir misiniz?<\/p>\n Mehmet Ender Savc\u0131n<\/strong>: \u0130stanbul-Bak\u0131rk\u00f6y il\u00e7esinde yay\u0131nlanan yerel gazetelerden olan \u201cYeni Sefa\u201d (1988) ve \u201cLider\u201d (1987) adl\u0131 gazetelerde k\u00f6\u015fe yaz\u0131lar\u0131m yay\u0131nland\u0131.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz:<\/strong> T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de art\u0131k Lazca, Abkhazca, \u00c7erkes\u00e7e, K\u00fcrt\u00e7e, G\u00fcrc\u00fcce, Zazaca, Pomak\u00e7a, Arnavut\u00e7a da se\u00e7meli ders. Bu konuda ne d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorsunuz?<\/p>\n Mehmet Ender Savc\u0131n<\/strong>: \u0130yi olaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz:<\/strong> Benim ba\u015fka sorum yok. Ancak sizin ba\u015fka s\u00f6yleyecekleriniz varsa, l\u00fctfen onlar\u0131 s\u00f6yleyin. Te\u015fekk\u00fcr ederim.<\/p>\n Mehmet Ender Savc\u0131n:<\/strong> Ben te\u015fekk\u00fcr ederim.<\/p>\n +<\/p>\n \u201c\u00c7kin mzaxalepe komiqonunan Gurcistanis\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n (Go\u0292\u0306otkvala: And\u011faneri musafiri \u00e7kimi ren Mehmet Ender Savcini. Mehmet Ender Savcini ren k\u0306itxeri-\u011fnoseri \u2018Gurci\u2019\/ \u2018\u00c7veneburi\u2019 gamantanerepe\u015fen.\u00a0 And\u011faneri Lazi gamantanerepes va u\u00e7kinan; Mehmet Ender Savciniti, Lutfi Baysali steri ren Lazepe\u015fi dost\u0306epe\u015fen arteri. Edo Lazi gamantanerepes numxvacu emuk. \u2018Lazepe\u015fiTarixi\u2019 coxoni ketabi\u015fi gama\u00e7kvinus numxvacu do tercumani Hayri Hayrio\u011fli Malaqma\u017ee do gamam\u00e7kvala \u201cAnt\u201di\u015fi \u015fkas k\u0306ap\u0306et\u0306i xinci iqveren. O\u015fkaruli manebrapeti komiqonut\u0306es: Yamaxo\u011fli Yuksel Yilmazi, Tufan \u015eafak Yuksel Lomina\u017ee do majurape. Mehmet Ender Savcini k\u0306ala biyografi mu\u015fi\u015fen do k\u0306ult\u0306uruli no\u00e7ali\u015fepe mu\u015fi\u015fen b\u011far\u011fali na. Edo aya t\u0306ekst\u0306i ren \u00e7kini int\u0306erviu\u015fi. Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi)<\/p>\n +<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi<\/strong>: \u0292\u0306oxle biyografi tkvani\u015fen molap\u015finat do e\u015fo gevo\u00e7\u0306k\u0306at, iqveni?! So do mundes ye\u00e7kindit? Namu n\u0292\u0306opulapes igurit? Mu mesle\u011fi gi\u011funan? \u00c7ileri reti? Berepe giqonunani? \u00a0Motape giqonunani?\u00a0 And\u011faneri nd\u011fas so skidut? Namu nenape gi\u00e7kinan?\u00a0 Ti-tkvani\u015fen molami\u015finit, mu iqven!<\/p>\n Mehmet Ender Savcini<\/strong>:\u00a0Ma yep\u00e7kindi 1952 \u0292\u0306anas. No\u011fa \u0130st\u0306anboli- Be\u015fikta\u015fis dovibadi ma. Kadirga\u015fi ge\u00e7\u0306k\u0306apuroni n\u0292\u0306opulas do majurani k\u0306lasi\u015fakisti, Gedikpa\u015fa\u015fi o\u015fkenoni n\u0292\u0306opulas doviguri ma. \u00c7ileri vore. Bere va miqonun ma. T\u0306ek\u0306avudi vore. Turkuli nena do Gurculi nena komi\u00e7kin.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi:<\/strong> Tkvan mohacir \u00c7veneburepe\u015fen reti? Varna svalyari Gurcepe\u015fen reti? Gurculo mu gvari gi\u011funan? Mzaxalepe giqonunani Gurcistanis?<\/p>\n Mehmet Ender Savcini<\/strong>:\u00a0Baba \u00e7kimi\u015fi nana, nandidi \u00e7kimi, ren Sapancuri Gurcepe\u015fen. Alosmani\u015fi Sarayi\u015fa dibargeren emindroneri nanano\u011fa \u0130st\u0306anbolis. P\u0306ap\u0306u \u00e7kimi\u015fi baba t\u0306eren k\u0306u\u015f\u00e7iba\u015fi Alosmani\u015fi Sarayis. \u00a0P\u0306ap\u0306u \u00e7kimik nandidi \u00e7kimi k\u0306ala Alosmani\u015fi Sariyi\u015fen i\u00e7ileren. Edo Be\u015fikta\u015fi\u015fi mahalle Abbasa\u011fa\u015fa dibargeren. P\u0306ap\u0306u \u00e7kimi\u015fi cinci\u015fen ti\u015fen k\u0306udeli\u015fa ambai va mi\u011fun (Sarayi\u015fi xalk\u0306i\u015fen ren emu\u015feniti Alosmani\u015fi Sarayi\u015fi arkivepes go\u015fogoru\u015fi vore). Nana\u015fen nandidi \u00e7kimi ren Batumi\u015fen mohaciri moxtimeri\u015fi k\u0306ulani. No\u011fa Duzce\u015fi \u00c7ilimli\u015fa dibargeren. Nana \u00e7kimi\u015fi babati ren Bulgaristani\u015fen mohaciri. Entepeti Duzce\u015fa dibargerenan. Nana \u00e7kimi\u015fi nana\u015fi gvari ren Gorgo\u015fa\u017ee. \u00c7kin mzaxalepe komiqonunan Gurcistanis.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi: <\/strong>Ahmet Ozkan Mela\u015fvili, Hayri Hayrio\u011fli Malaqma\u017ee do Akin \u015eanveri i\u00e7inopt\u0306iti? Entepe k\u0306ala mundes ok\u0306oi\u00e7init?<\/p>\n Mehmet Ender Savcini:<\/strong>\u00a0Ahmet Ozkani do Hayri Hayrio\u011fli vi\u00e7inopt\u0306i ma. 1976 \u0292\u0306ana rt\u0306u, emorapes entepe k\u0306ala ok\u0306ovi\u00e7ini ma.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi:<\/strong> 1968 \u0292\u0306anas, no\u011fa \u0130st\u0306anbolis gami\u00e7kvineri \u2018Gurcustani\u2019 coxoni ketabi ipti mundes \u017eirit do mundes ik\u0306itxit?<\/p>\n Mehmet Ender Savcini:<\/strong> No\u011fa Bursa\u015fa mepteret\u0306i, \u00a0Ahmet Ozkani mok\u0306itxu\u015fa mepteret\u0306i, emindros eya ketabi maqu.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi:<\/strong>\u00a0 \u2018Jurnali \u00c7veneburi\u2019 mu\u015feni \u0292\u0306oxle Turkiyes vardo, \u0130sve\u00e7is gami\u00e7kvinu? \u2018Jurnali \u00c7veneburi\u2019 mu\u015feni \u0292\u0306oxle \u0130sve\u00e7is uk\u0306uleti no\u011fa \u0130st\u0306anbolis gami\u00e7kvinu? Mcve\u015fi \u2018Jurnali \u00c7veneburi\u2019 k\u0306ala mundes ok\u0306oi\u00e7init? Eya jurnalis maddur- manevuri mxuci me\u00e7iti?<\/p>\n Mehmet Ender Savcini<\/strong>: Jurnali \u0130svecis gami\u00e7kvinet\u0306u, emoras var; uk\u0306ule, jurnali gami\u00e7kvinet\u0306u\u00a0 no\u011fa \u0130st\u0306anbolis, emoras \u2018Jurnali \u00c7veneburi\u2019 k\u0306ala ok\u0306ovi\u00e7ini ma. Jurnali\u015fi abone vort\u0306i, e\u015fotenti madduri mxuci mep\u00e7apt\u0306i mati.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi<\/strong>: Go\u0292\u0306os Xalva\u015fi P\u0306ridoni\u015fi \u00a0\u2018Omri\u2019\/ \u2018Skidala\u2019 coxoni ketabi do Saba Artvineli\u015fi ketabi gami\u00e7kvinu. Aya ketabepe ik\u0306itxiti? Muepe gatkvenan aya ketabepe \u015feni?<\/p>\n Mehmet Ender Savcini<\/strong>: Ho, vik\u0306itxi.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi:<\/strong> \u2018Gurcustani\u2019 coxoni ketabi va ren Ahmet Ozkan Mela\u015fvili\u015fi no\u00e7ali\u015feya, Mosk\u0306ovas Fransuli nenaten gami\u00e7kvineri ar ketabi\u015fi tercume renya tkumernan namtinepek. E\u015fo itkven. Tkvan mu gatkvenan aya ambai \u015feni?<\/p>\n Mehmet Ender Savcini<\/strong>: Aya dulya\u015fen ambai va mi\u011fun ma.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi:<\/strong> Ahmet Ozkan Mela\u015fvilik Gurculi k\u0306ult\u0306uri k\u0306ala ibodert\u0306u, emu\u015feni va iqvilinuya tkumernan namtinepek Turkiyes. Tkvan mu gatkvenan aya ambai \u015feni?<\/p>\n Mehmet Ender Savcini:<\/strong> Va mi\u00e7kin ma.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi:<\/strong> \u2018Jurnali \u00c7veneburi\u2019 gami\u00e7kvinu Ahmet Ozkan Mela\u015fvili\u015fi \u011fura\u015fen 13 \u0292\u0306ana\u015fk\u0306ule. Mu\u015feni va gami\u00e7kvinu 13 \u0292\u0306anas?<\/p>\n Mehmet Ender Savcini<\/strong>:\u00a0Emoras k\u0306ont\u0306akt\u0306i oxvenu me\u00e7\u0306ireli rt\u0306u, finansuri p\u0306roblemepe kort\u0306u do emu\u015feni. Aya endolepe\u015fi guri \u015feni va gami\u00e7kvinu. Ma e\u015fo vizmon.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi:<\/strong>\u00a0 \u2018Lazepe\u015fi Tarixi\u2019 coxoni ketabi gami\u00e7kvinu Hayri Hayrio\u011fli Malaqma\u017ee\u015fi tercumeten 1992 \u0292\u0306anas. Aya ketabi\u015fi gama\u00e7kvinus tkvanti mxuci me\u00e7it. E\u015fo mi\u00e7kin ma. Aya ambai \u0292\u0306ori reni?<\/p>\n Mehmet Ender Savcini:<\/strong> Ho, \u0292\u0306ori.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi: <\/strong>Lazepe\u015fi Tarixi\u015fen tkvanti mak\u0306alepe \u00e7\u0306arit do antepe gami\u00e7kvinu ar gazetas; e\u015fo kovogni ma. Namu gazeta rt\u0306u? Mundes t\u0306u? Aya no\u00e7ali\u015fe tkvani\u015fen \u00e7kimda ambai mega\u00e7enani?<\/p>\n Mehmet Ender Savcini<\/strong>: \u0130st\u0306anboli-Bakirkyoyi\u015fi emora\u015fi lok\u0306aluri gazetape\u015fen \u2018Yeni Sefas\u2019 (1988 \u0292\u0306anas) do \u201cLideris\u201d (1987 \u0292\u0306anas) gami\u00e7kvinu mak\u0306alepe \u00e7kimi.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi<\/strong>: A\u00e7kva Lazuri, Abxazuri, \u00c7erkesuli, Kurduli, Gurculi, Zazuri, P\u0306omak\u0306uri, Arnavuturi nenapeti meno\u0292xune dersi ren Turkiyesi n\u0292\u0306opulapes. Aya ambai \u015feni mu izmont tkvan?<\/p>\n Mehmet Ender Savcini<\/strong>: K\u0306ai iqvasion,a\u015fo vizmon ma.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi<\/strong>: Ar\u00e7kva k\u0306itxala va mi\u011fun tkvanda. Mara otkvalu\u015fi \u00e7kva ambai gi\u011funan na, eti mi\u0292\u0306vit, mu iqven! Ma \u015fukuri gi\u0292\u0306umert.<\/p>\n Mehmet Ender Savcini<\/strong>: \u00a0Ma \u015fukuri gi\u0292\u0306umert.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":" Ali İhsan Aksamaz (Ön açıklama: Bugünkü misafirim Mehmet Ender Savcın. Mehmet Ender Savcın, donanımlı “Gürcü”\/ “Çveneburi” Aydınlarından. Bugünkü Laz Aydınları bilmiyor; Mehmet Ender Savcın da Lütfi Baysal gibi bir Laz dostu; Laz Aydınlarına destek oldu. “Lazların Tarihi” adlı kitabın yayınlanması için Hayri Hayrioğlu Malaqmadze ile Ant Yayınları arasında köprü olmuş. 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