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<\/h3>\n<\/h3>\nAli \u0130hsan Aksamaz\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n (\u00d6n a\u00e7\u0131klama<\/strong>: Ha\u015fim Akman\u2019\u0131n \u201cLaz Enstit\u00fcs\u00fc Kuruluyor\u201d ba\u015fl\u0131kl\u0131 bu haber- s\u00f6yle\u015fisi g\u00fcn\u00fcm\u00fczden neredeyse 30 y\u0131l \u00f6nce, 1992\u2019de, A Akt\u00fcel Dergisi\u2019nin 66. say\u0131s\u0131nda yay\u0131nland\u0131. Bu haber- s\u00f6yle\u015fide hem Laz kimli\u011fini ya\u015fatmak ad\u0131na s\u00f6ylenenlerin hem de bu s\u00f6ylenenlere kar\u015f\u0131 \u00e7\u0131kanlar\u0131n s\u00f6ylediklerinin bir\u00e7ok bak\u0131mdan ele\u015ftirel katk\u0131ya muhta\u00e7 oldu\u011funa hi\u00e7 ku\u015fku yok. Ancak bunun \u00e7ok da \u00f6tesinde, bu haber- s\u00f6yle\u015fi, 30 y\u0131l \u00f6nceki entelekt\u00fcel ve siyaset\u00e7i alg\u0131 ve yakla\u015f\u0131mlar\u0131n\u0131 bizlere yans\u0131tmas\u0131 bak\u0131m\u0131ndan \u00f6nemli bir belge. \u0130\u015fte bu sebeple Ha\u015fim Akman\u2019\u0131n bu \u00f6nemli \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmas\u0131n\u0131 yay\u0131na haz\u0131rlad\u0131m. Konuya ilgi duyan okuyucunun bilgisine sunuyorum. 13 VII 2017, Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz)<\/p>\n +<\/p>\n Ha\u015fim Akman\u2019\u0131n haber- s\u00f6yle\u015fisi: \u201cLaz Enstit\u00fcs\u00fc Kuruluyor\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n \u201cAvukat Ahmet K\u0131r\u0131m \u00f6nc\u00fcl\u00fc\u011f\u00fcnde bir grup Laz ayd\u0131n\u0131 enstit\u00fc kurmak amac\u0131yla harekete ge\u00e7ti\u2026 Almanya ve Fransa\u2019daki benzerlerinden \u00f6rnek al\u0131narak kurulacak enstit\u00fc. Bir aksilik olmazsa bu ay\u0131n i\u00e7inde faaliyete ge\u00e7ecek. ANAP\u2019\u0131n Laz milletvekillerinden S\u00fcleyman Hatino\u011flu\u2019na g\u00f6re giri\u015fim, \u201c\u00f6\u011fleden sonra yap\u0131lm\u0131\u015f bir Laz \u015fakas\u0131.\u201d<\/p>\n \u0130stanbul\u2019dan Arde\u015fen\u2019e gitmek i\u00e7in otogara gelen Temel, otob\u00fcste okuyacak bir \u015feyler ararken g\u00f6z\u00fcne bir kitap \u00e7arpar: \u201cLazlar\u2019\u0131n Tarihi.\u201d Heyecanlan\u0131r, \u201cUyy\u2026 pizum de tarihimiz varm\u0131\u015f\u201d der ve yanaklar\u0131 al al, daha orac\u0131kta, ba\u015flar kitab\u0131n sayfalar\u0131n\u0131 kar\u0131\u015ft\u0131rmaya. Sat\u0131c\u0131n\u0131n, \u201cAbi al\u0131c\u0131 m\u0131s\u0131n bak\u0131c\u0131 m\u0131\u201d s\u00f6z\u00fcyle kendine geldi\u011finde adeta yar\u0131lam\u0131\u015ft\u0131r kirab\u0131. O s\u0131rada olan olmu\u015f, tezcanl\u0131 otob\u00fcs \u015fof\u00f6r\u00fc daha fazla beklemekten s\u0131k\u0131l\u0131p \u00e7oktan yola koyulmu\u015ftur. Temel, otob\u00fcs\u00fc ka\u00e7\u0131rd\u0131\u011f\u0131na \u00fcz\u00fclm\u00fc\u015f g\u00f6r\u00fcnmemektedir. Paray\u0131 \u00f6derken \u015f\u00f6yle der sevin\u00e7le: \u201cOlsun daa! Otob\u00fcs\u00fc ka\u00e7\u0131rduk ama tarihi yakaladuk!\u201d<\/p>\n F\u0131kra, klasik Laz f\u0131kralar\u0131 gibi komik de\u011fil. Zaten \u00f6ylebir iddias\u0131 da yok. Yaln\u0131zca bu haber i\u00e7in \u00fcretidi \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc. F\u0131kra uydurma ama, T\u00fcrkiye\u2019deki Lazlar\u2019\u0131n b\u00fcy\u00fck \u00e7o\u011funlu\u011funun, ge\u00e7ti\u011fimiz aylarda yay\u0131mlanan \u201cLazlar\u2019\u0131n Tarihi\u201d adl\u0131 kitab\u0131 sat\u0131n al\u0131p okudu\u011fu, kitab\u0131 kitap\u00e7\u0131da bulamayan T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin d\u00f6rt bir yan\u0131na da\u011f\u0131lm\u0131\u015f Lazlar\u2019\u0131n yay\u0131nc\u0131y\u0131 bezdirircesine postayla tek kitap sipari\u015finde bulundu\u011fu kesinlikle ger\u00e7ek. Ayr\u0131ca bug\u00fcnlerde Arde\u015fen, Pazar, Hopa, Arhavi, F\u0131nd\u0131kl\u0131 gibi Laz yerle\u015fimlerinin \u0130stanbul\u2019daki yans\u0131malar\u0131 olan \u201ck\u00fclt\u00fcrel yard\u0131mla\u015fma dernekleri\u201dnin m\u00fcdavimi k\u00fc\u00e7\u00fck t\u00fcccar ve zanaatk\u00e2r Lazlar, okey \u0131stakalar\u0131n\u0131, 52 destelerini filan bir yana itip hummal\u0131 bir tart\u0131\u015fma s\u00fcrd\u00fcr\u00fcyor. Konu\u015fmalar gelip gelip \u015f\u00f6yle bir sonuca ba\u011flan\u0131yor: \u201cNinelerimiz, dedelerimiz hep Lazca konu\u015furlar. Biz de biraz biliriz. Gelenek g\u00f6reneklerimiz, yeme\u011fimiz, i\u00e7kimiz, m\u00fczi\u011fimiz hep farkl\u0131. Tarihimiz de oldu\u011funa g\u00f6re bu k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fc neden geli\u015ftirmeyelim?\u201d<\/p>\n Avukat Ahmet K\u0131r\u0131m ve arkada\u015flar\u0131n\u0131 bir \u201cLaz Enstit\u00fcs\u00fc\u201d kurma d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcncesine g\u00f6t\u00fcren temel etken i\u015fte bu t\u00fcr konu\u015fmalar olmu\u015f. Bu ay i\u00e7inde bir \u201cLaz Enstit\u00fcs\u00fc\u201d kurmamak i\u00e7in resmen ba\u015fvuruda bulunacak olan K\u0131r\u0131m\u2019\u0131 dinliyoruz: \u201cBu kimlik temelinde bir olu\u015fum. Buna enstit\u00fc de diyebilirsiniz vak\u0131f da. Ad\u0131 \u00f6nemli de\u011fil. Kendi memleketimden g\u00f6zlemlerim, buraya gelen Lazlar\u2019la irtibat\u0131m\u0131z var. Onlardan bildi\u011fim ve duydu\u011fum kadar\u0131yla bu insanlar\u0131n \u00e7ok \u00f6nemli bir b\u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fc, asimilasyona ra\u011fmen, kendi kimliklerini muhafaza ediyor. Milliyetini, kimli\u011fini kaybeden \u00e7ok azd\u0131r. Bu insanlar gerek ya\u015fant\u0131lar\u0131yla, gerek \u00f6rf ve adetleriyle Lazl\u0131k kimli\u011fini \u015fuurunu muhafaza etmeye \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yorlar. Tabii s\u00fcre\u00e7 i\u00e7inde bir b\u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fc asimile oldu. \u00d6rne\u011fin benim gen\u00e7li\u011fimde memleketimdeki insanlar\u0131n b\u00fcy\u00fck \u00e7o\u011funlu\u011fu Lazca konu\u015furdu. Lisan geli\u015ftirilemedi\u011fi i\u00e7in daha ziyade T\u00fcrk\u00e7e\u2019ye ba\u015fvurular, Lazca-T\u00fcrk\u00e7e kar\u0131\u015f\u0131m\u0131 bir \u015fey olurdu. 80\u2019den sonra Lazca konu\u015fma oran\u0131 iyice d\u00fc\u015ft\u00fc. Ta ki son iki- \u00fc\u00e7 seneye kadar. Bu yaz kendim de g\u00f6rd\u00fcm, gidip gelen arkada\u015flar\u0131m\u0131n da tespit ettikleri bir husus var: Oradaki insanlar, \u00f6zellikle gen\u00e7ler, k\u0131s\u0131r da olsa Lazca konu\u015fmaya b\u00fcy\u00fck \u00f6zen g\u00f6steriyorlar. Bunun i\u00e7in hi\u00e7bir \u00f6zel \u00e7aba olmad\u0131. Kendili\u011finden geli\u015fen bir hareket. Ben \u00fc\u00e7 sene \u00f6nce b\u00f6yle bir \u015feyin olabilece\u011fini, kendi kimli\u011fimize sahip \u00e7\u0131kma gereklili\u011fini, zorunlulu\u011funu duyuyordum. Hatta o d\u00f6nemde kendi milliyetimiz olan arkada\u015flar\u0131m\u0131za bu d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcncem, s\u00f6yl\u00fcyordum.\u201d<\/p>\n Ahmet K\u0131r\u0131m\u2019\u0131n s\u00f6zlerini, bu s\u00f6zc\u00fcklerle olmasa da vurgulay\u0131p, \u201censtit\u00fc\u201d fikrine s\u0131cak bakan pek \u00e7ok Laz\u2019a rastlamak m\u00fcmk\u00fcn. Pazar K\u00fclt\u00fcr ve Yard\u0131mla\u015fma Derne\u011fi kurucusu ve y\u00f6netim kurulu \u00fcyesi \u015eendo\u011fan \u00d6zer bunlardan biri. \u201cK\u00fclt\u00fcrel faaliyet olarak bizim horonumuz vard\u0131r, toplan\u0131p bir araya geldi\u011fimizde tulum \u00e7alar horon yapar\u0131z. Enstit\u00fc fikrine gelince; bir \u015feyin ara\u015ft\u0131r\u0131lmas\u0131, incelenmesi iyi bir \u015fey. Ara\u015ft\u0131rmac\u0131l\u0131\u011fa kar\u015f\u0131 de\u011filim. B\u00fct\u00fcn toplumlar\u0131n ge\u00e7mi\u015flerinin ara\u015ft\u0131r\u0131lmas\u0131 iyidir. Sonu\u00e7ta bu bir tarihtir. Osmanl\u0131 ya da Cumhuriyet tarihini nas\u0131l inceliyorsak, Lazlar\u2019\u0131n, G\u00fcrc\u00fcler\u2019in, \u00c7erkesler\u2019in, K\u00fcrtler\u2019in de tarihlerini bilmemiz do\u011fal bir \u015feydir.\u201d<\/p>\n G\u00f6r\u00fcn\u00fc\u015fe bak\u0131l\u0131rsa, giri\u015fime \u00f6nc\u00fcl\u00fck edenler yaln\u0131z kalmayacak. \u0130\u015fte, ge\u00e7ti\u011fimiz aylarda \u201cLazlar\u2019\u0131n Tarihi\u201d adl\u0131 kitab\u0131 yay\u0131mlayan Ant Yay\u0131nlar\u0131 sahibi Cemal \u015eener\u2019in s\u00f6yledikleri: \u201cT\u00fcrkiye\u2019de Laz say\u0131s\u0131 \u00e7ok de\u011fil. Do\u011fu Karadeniz\u2019de 100 bin ki\u015fi ya var ya yoklar. Bu say\u0131y\u0131 dikkate alarak, kitab\u0131 yay\u0131mlarken \u00e7ok d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnd\u00fck. Ama sonu\u00e7 beni \u015fa\u015f\u0131rtt\u0131. \u015eimdiye kadar \u00c7erkesler\u2019le, Aleviler\u2019le, K\u00fcrtler\u2019le ilgili kitaplar yay\u0131mlad\u0131m. Diyebilirim ki, onlar\u0131n nicel a\u011f\u0131rl\u0131klar\u0131na ra\u011fmen, kendilerine y\u00f6nelik kitaplara Lazlar kadar ilgi g\u00f6stermediler. T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de 20 milyon Alevi var. Alevilikle ilgili kitaba 100 bin Laz\u2019\u0131n \u201cLazlar\u2019\u0131n Tarihi\u201dne g\u00f6sterdi\u011fi ilgiyi g\u00f6stermedi. T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin d\u00f6rt bir yan\u0131ndan telefon ya\u011f\u0131yor. Bir\u00e7ok yerde adam b\u00fcrokrat, genel m\u00fcd\u00fcr vb. \u00f6zel \u015fof\u00f6r\u00fcn\u00fc g\u00f6nderip kitap ald\u0131r\u0131yor. Bu d\u00f6nemde kitap sipari\u015fi bitti, hele tek kitap sipari\u015fi hi\u00e7 yoktur. Ne var ki ben, Anadolu\u2019nun d\u00f6rt bir yan\u0131ndan ald\u0131\u011f\u0131m tek kitap sipari\u015flerinden bezdim.\u201d<\/p>\n ANAP Artvin Milletvekili S\u00fcleyman Hatino\u011flu ise Laz Enstit\u00fcs\u00fc kurma giri\u015fimini \u201c\u00d6\u011fleden sonra yap\u0131lm\u0131\u015f bir Laz \u015fakas\u0131\u201d olarak de\u011ferlendiriyor: B\u00f6yle bir \u015feyden haberim yok. \u0130lk kez sizden duyuyorum. Sizden duyuyorum, \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc Lazlar\u2019\u0131n b\u00f6yle bir niyetleri olsa \u00f6nce bizim haberimiz olurdu. Bu Meclis\u2019te \u00fc\u00e7 tane Laz milletvekili var. Biri benim, di\u011ferleri \u015eadi Pehlivano\u011flu ve Mustafa Parlak\u2019t\u0131r. Biz milletvekili olarak b\u00f6yle bir olu\u015fumdan haberdar de\u011filiz. O halde ciddi bir olu\u015fum de\u011fildir bu; Laz \u015fakas\u0131d\u0131r. \u00d6\u011fleden sonra yap\u0131lm\u0131\u015f bir Laz \u015fakas\u0131d\u0131r.\u201d<\/p>\n Ortada ger\u00e7ekten de bir \u015faka var ama, kim kime yap\u0131yor acaba? Bize \u00f6yle geliyor ki, \u201c\u015faka\u201dy\u0131 Lazlar vekillerine yap\u0131p enstit\u00fcy\u00fc onlara \u201c\u00e7akt\u0131rmadan\u201d kurmaya giri\u015fmi\u015f durumda. Gelelim, S\u00fcleyman Hatino\u011flu\u2019nun \u201cBu Meclis\u2019te \u00fc\u00e7 tane Laz milletvekili vard\u0131r\u201d bi\u00e7imindeki s\u00f6zlerine\u2026 Pehlivano\u011flu\u2019nun Ordu, Mustafa Parlak\u2019\u0131n da Rize milletvekili oldu\u011fu hat\u0131rland\u0131\u011f\u0131nda \u015fu soru \u00e7\u0131k\u0131yor ortaya: Karadenizli di\u011fer milletvekilleri Laz de\u011fil midir? Ya d, Karadeniz\u2019de ya\u015fayanlar aras\u0131nda kim Laz\u2019d\u0131r, kim de\u011fildir?<\/p>\n \u0130\u015fte tam bu noktada deh\u015fetengiz bir \u201cfraksiyonla\u015fma\u201dn\u0131n ilk i\u015faretleri hemen beliriveriyor. \u201cLaz Enstit\u00fcs\u00fc\u201d kurma giri\u015fimine \u00f6nc\u00fcl\u00fck eden avukat Ahmet K\u0131r\u0131m\u2019a g\u00f6re Rizeliler Laz de\u011fildir.\u201d Hele her Karadenizli\u2019nin Laz oldu\u011funu d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnmek iyice yanl\u0131\u015f bir d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcncedir. Ahmet K\u0131r\u0131m hangi Karadenizli\u2019ye \u201cLaz\u201d denmesi gerekti\u011fini co\u011frafi olarak \u015f\u00f6yle belirtiyor: \u201cEskiden Trabzon\u2019a kadar olan b\u00f6l\u00fcm Laz\u2019d\u0131. \u015eimdi Rize\u2019nin i\u00e7inde Laz ya\u015fam\u0131yor. Orada ya\u015fayanlar\u0131n bir k\u0131sm\u0131 Rum\u2019dan d\u00f6nmedir. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc Bizans d\u00f6neminde Bizansl\u0131lar Laz krall\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 y\u0131kt\u0131ktan sonra kendi vatanda\u015flar\u0131n\u0131, Pontuslular\u2019\u0131 getirip oraya yerle\u015ftirdi. O bak\u0131mdan Rizeliler bizden de\u011fildir. Rizeliler fanatiktitir, Lazlarsa de\u011fildir. Lazistan hududu TC devleti s\u0131n\u0131rlar\u0131 i\u00e7inde \u00c7ayeli ile Pazar aras\u0131ndaki Kemer deresinden ba\u015flay\u0131p s\u0131n\u0131r kap\u0131s\u0131 olan Sarp\u2019a, oradan da Abhazya\u2019ya kadar devam eder ki Abhazya\u2019daki n\u00fcfusun y\u00fczde 20 kadar\u0131 Laz\u2019d\u0131r. G\u00fcrcistan\u2019da da Lazlar vard\u0131r. Yani o ku\u015fa\u011f\u0131 devam ettiren b\u00f6l\u00fcme Lazistan diyebiliriz.<\/p>\n Pazar K\u00fclt\u00fcr ve Yard\u0131mla\u015fma Derne\u011fi \u00fcyesi \u015eendo\u011fan \u00d6zer ise, \u201chakiki\u201d Lazlar\u2019\u0131n nerelerde bulundu\u011funu \u015f\u00f6yle belirtiyor: Lazlar Do\u011fu Karadeniz\u2019in do\u011fusundaki b\u00f6lgede ya\u015farlar. T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de yedi il\u00e7ede Laz vard\u0131r. Bunlar Pazar, Arde\u015fen, F\u0131nd\u0131kl\u0131, Arhavi, Hopa, Bor\u00e7ka ve Kemalpa\u015fa\u2019d\u0131r. Bir k\u0131sm\u0131 da Sarp\u2019tad\u0131r. B\u00f6lgenin en eski halk\u0131d\u0131r. O b\u00f6lgede Laz olmayanlar da var. Hem\u015finliler mesela Laz de\u011fildir. Lazca bilmezler. Rivayete g\u00f6re Horasan\u2019dan gelmi\u015f, Osmanl\u0131 d\u00f6neminde koruyucu asker olarak oraya yerle\u015ftirilmi\u015flerdir. Tabii biz kendi tarihimizi iyi bilmedi\u011fimiz i\u00e7in onlar\u0131n tarihlerini bilmemiz de m\u00fcmk\u00fcn de\u011fil.\u201d<\/p>\n Yaz\u0131n\u0131n sonlar\u0131na geldik\u2026Eminiz bir k\u0131sm\u0131n\u0131z \u201c\u015eimdide Lazlar m\u0131 \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131 ba\u015f\u0131m\u0131za\u201d demeye ba\u015flad\u0131n\u0131z. \u015eimdi sizin y\u00fcre\u011finize biraz so\u011fuk su serpelim ve \u201cLaz Enstit\u00fcs\u00fc\u201d fikrine s\u0131cak bakanlar\u0131n hemen hepsinin a\u015fa\u011f\u0131 yukar\u0131 Adem Ery\u0131lmaz gibi d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnd\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn\u00fc hat\u0131rlatal\u0131m: \u201cBenim \u00e7ocuklar\u0131m Lazca bilmez ama bilmesini isterim. Hatta yava\u015f yava\u015f \u00f6\u011fretiyorum. Bir k\u00fclt\u00fcrd\u00fcr \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc, \u00f6lmesin. Evde mesela \u00e7ocuklar\u0131mdan su isterken Lazca isterim. \u00d6\u011fretmeye \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yorum. Ama kesinlikle \u015fovenist olarak de\u011fil. Bir Laz kesinlikle kendini T\u00fcrk addeder. Bunun aksi m\u00fcmk\u00fcn de\u011fil. Ama bu bir k\u00fclt\u00fcr, d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fc\u015f, ya\u015fay\u0131\u015f tarz\u0131d\u0131r. Kaybolmamas\u0131, devam etmesi laz\u0131md\u0131r\u201d.<\/p>\n Asl\u0131nda \u201cLaz Enstit\u00fcs\u00fc\u201d g\u00fcn\u00fcm\u00fcz T\u00fcrkiye\u2019sinde ilk kez telaffuz edilmekle birlikte, Bat\u0131 ve G\u00fcrcistan i\u00e7in yeni de\u011fil. G\u00fcrcistan\u2019da akademik bir kimlikle ve devlet politikas\u0131 olarak korunup ya\u015fat\u0131lan Laz k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fc Almanya ve Fransa\u2019da \u00fcniversitelere ba\u011fl\u0131 bir enstit\u00fc b\u00fcnyesinde inceleniyor. Bundan ba\u015fka \u00f6rne\u011fin 1982\u2019de Stutgart\u2019ta bir grup Laz gencin giri\u015fimiyle \u201cParpali\u201d (kelebek) adl\u0131 Lazca- T\u00fcrk\u00e7e bir dergi yay\u0131mlan\u0131yor ve bu giri\u015fim Laz alfabesi yazma \u00e7abas\u0131n\u0131 do\u011furuyor.<\/p>\n Lazlar \u201censtit\u00fc\u201d s\u00f6zc\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn\u00fcn \u00e7a\u011fr\u0131\u015ft\u0131rd\u0131\u011f\u0131 b\u00fct\u00fcn olumsuzluklar\u0131n fark\u0131nda. O nedenle, her defas\u0131nda tek hedeflerinin k\u00fclt\u00fcrlerini korumak oldu\u011funu vurguluyorlar. Lazca\u2019n\u0131n, ad\u0131 ge\u00e7en yedi il\u00e7ede yedi ayr\u0131 leh\u00e7eyle ve hemen hemen yaln\u0131zca ya\u015fl\u0131 kad\u0131nlar\u0131n g\u00fcndelik ya\u015famlar\u0131nda ya\u015fad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnd\u00fcklerinden korkuyorlar; Lazca\u2019n\u0131n da yery\u00fcz\u00fcnde tek bir ki\u015finin bildi\u011fi Ub\u0131h\u00e7a\u2019ya d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015fmesi ihtimali onlar\u0131 \u00e7ok korkutuyor. Laz Enstit\u00fcs\u00fc\u2019n\u00fc i\u015fte bu nedenle kurmak istiyorlar.<\/p>\n Avukat Ahmet K\u0131r\u0131m: \u201cLaz Burjuvazisi De Destekliyor\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n Akt\u00fcel:<\/strong> \u201cEnstit\u00fc fikri nas\u0131l do\u011fdu ve geli\u015fti?\u201d<\/p>\n Ahmet K\u0131r\u0131m<\/strong>: \u201c\u015eimdi bu kimlik temelinde bir olu\u015fum. Buna enstit\u00fc de diyebilirsiniz, vak\u0131f da. Ad\u0131 \u00f6nemli de\u011fil. Cumhuriyetin tek ulus, tek devlet ideolojisi ve bu \u00e7er\u00e7evede di\u011fer az\u0131nl\u0131k milliyetleri asimile etme politikas\u0131n\u0131n ba\u015far\u0131l\u0131 olamayaca\u011f\u0131 bug\u00fcn ortaya \u00e7\u0131km\u0131\u015ft\u0131r. Esasen d\u00fcnyadaki uygulamalar\u0131 da g\u00f6r\u00fcyoruz. Mikro milliyet\u00e7ili\u011fin \u00e7ok fazla reva\u00e7ta oldu\u011fu veya mikro milliyet\u00e7i hareketlerin yo\u011fun olarak m\u00fccadeleye d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015ft\u00fc\u011f\u00fc bir \u00e7a\u011fda ya\u015f\u0131yoruz. Bunun bize yans\u0131mas\u0131 elbette olacakt\u0131r. Esas olarak d\u00fcnyadaki geli\u015fmeler ve Anadolu\u2019nun asli halklar\u0131ndan olan K\u00fcrtler\u2019in \u00e7abalar\u0131 bizde de kendi kimli\u011fimizi geli\u015ftirme anlay\u0131\u015f\u0131n\u0131n y\u00fczeye \u00e7\u0131kmas\u0131na neden oldu. Esas neden bu.\u201d<\/p>\n Akt\u00fcel:<\/strong> \u201cEnstit\u00fcn\u00fcn amac\u0131 ne?\u201d<\/p>\n Ahmet K\u0131r\u0131m<\/strong>: \u201cBiz, dil, k\u00fclt\u00fcr ve ulusal demokratik haklar diyebilece\u011fimiz haklar\u0131m\u0131z\u0131 almak istiyoruz. Bunun d\u0131\u015f\u0131nda amac\u0131m\u0131z ayr\u0131\u015fmak de\u011fil. Yine birlikte olmak. Ama kendi kimli\u011fimizi muhafaza edip g\u00f6n\u00fcll\u00fc birli\u011fi sa\u011flayabilmek. Bizim amac\u0131m\u0131z bu.Onun haricinde ba\u015fka bir ama\u00e7 ta\u015f\u0131m\u0131yoruz. TC devletinin tek ulus,tek devlet anlay\u0131\u015f\u0131yla y\u00fcr\u00fcmedi\u011fi, en az\u0131ndan sa\u011fl\u0131kl\u0131 bir \u015fekilde y\u00fcr\u00fcmedi\u011fi g\u00f6r\u00fcl\u00fcyor zaten. O bak\u0131mdan bu kafay\u0131 de\u011fi\u015ftirmek, beraberli\u011fin de g\u00f6n\u00fcll\u00fc olmas\u0131n\u0131 sa\u011flamak gerekiyor. Bize ve bizim gibi ba\u015fka az\u0131nl\u0131k milliyetlere de kendi kimliklerini muhafaza edebilme olana\u011f\u0131n\u0131n sa\u011flanmas\u0131 \u015fartt\u0131r. Beraberlik ancak bundan sonra olabilir. Amac\u0131m\u0131z bu.\u201d<\/p>\n Akt\u00fcel:<\/strong> \u201cBunun i\u00e7in ilk ad\u0131m enstit\u00fc m\u00fc?\u201d<\/p>\n Ahmet K\u0131r\u0131m:<\/strong> \u201cEvet. Ko\u015fullarda bir farkl\u0131la\u015fma olmazsa enstit\u00fcy\u00fc Ekim ay\u0131nda veya 1992 senesinin i\u00e7inde kurmay\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyoruz. Arkada\u015flarla temaslar\u0131m\u0131z devam ediyor.\u201d<\/p>\n Akt\u00fcel<\/strong>: \u201cGiri\u015fim bir ayd\u0131n hareketi mi?\u201d<\/p>\n Ahmet K\u0131r\u0131m:<\/strong> \u201cBu i\u015fe \u00f6nc\u00fcl\u00fck yapanlar okumu\u015f yazm\u0131\u015f insanlar gibi g\u00f6r\u00fcn\u00fcyor ama, bunun sempatizanlar\u0131 i\u00e7inde ayd\u0131n olmayan veya o kapsamda alamayaca\u011f\u0131m\u0131z insanlar da var. Esnaf kesiminden de, Laz burjuvazisinden de insanlar var.\u201d<\/p>\n Akt\u00fcel:<\/strong> \u201cOnlar\u0131 ne t\u00fcr fakt\u00f6rler b\u00f6yle bir giri\u015fime itiyor? \u015eimdiye kadar b\u00f6yle bir \u00e7aba yoktu \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc.\u201d<\/p>\n Ahmet K\u0131r\u0131m:<\/strong> \u201c \u015eimdiye kadar yoktu ama bu insanlar eksikli\u011fini hissediyordu. Konu\u015ftu\u011funuzda ben Laz\u0131m diyor, Laz gibi ya\u015f\u0131yordu. O a\u00e7\u0131dan de\u011fi\u015fen hi\u00e7bir \u015fey yok. Lazistan\u2019daki insanlar \u00f6zel hayatlar\u0131nda nas\u0131l ya\u015f\u0131yorsa onlar da \u00f6yle ya\u015f\u0131yordu. Veya bir e\u011flenceye gitti\u011finizde, bizim milli \u00e7alg\u0131m\u0131z keme\u00e7e de\u011fil tulumdur, birisi tulum \u00e7ald\u0131\u011f\u0131nda oradaki insanlar\u0131 tutamazs\u0131n\u0131z. Bu kendili\u011finden gelir, horon tutar. Ne kadar asimile ederseniz edin, eninde sonunda Lazd\u0131r. Bu birinci etkendir. Di\u011feri K\u00fcrtler\u2019in m\u00fccadelesinin do\u011frudan etkisi vard\u0131r. \u00dc\u00e7\u00fcnc\u00fcs\u00fc d\u00fcnyadaki geli\u015fmelerdir.\u201d<\/p>\n Akt\u00fcel<\/strong>: \u201cYani \u00c7ayeliden \u00f6teye ge\u00e7ti\u011fimizde, sokaktaki insanda \u201cben kimim\u201d sorusu mu has\u0131l oldu?\u201d<\/p>\n Ahmet K\u0131r\u0131m<\/strong>: \u201cHay\u0131r. Zaten b\u00f6yle bir soru yoktu. Ben Laz\u0131m diyor ama onun gere\u011fini yerine getirmiyordu.\u201d<\/p>\n Akt\u00fcel:<\/strong> \u201cT\u00fcrkiye d\u0131\u015f\u0131ndaki Lazlar\u2019da da benzer k\u0131p\u0131rdan\u0131\u015flar var m\u0131?\u201d<\/p>\n Ahmet K\u0131r\u0131m: <\/strong>\u201cVar. Mesela Stutgart\u2019ta bir hayli yo\u011fun Laz n\u00fcfus var. D\u00f6rtbe\u015f ay \u00f6nce bir dernek kurdular. Hatta d\u00fczenli olarak Lazca bir gazete \u00e7\u0131kart\u0131yorlar. Onlarla diyaloglar\u0131m\u0131z s\u00fcr\u00fcyor. G\u00fcrcistan\u2019dakilerle gidip gelme \u015feklinde \u00e7ok s\u0131cak ili\u015fkiler birka\u00e7 y\u0131ld\u0131r devam ediyor. Par\u00e7alanma oldu\u011fu i\u00e7in insanlar\u0131m\u0131z\u0131n bir b\u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fcn\u00fcn akrabas\u0131 orada kalm\u0131\u015f. Bu s\u0131cak ili\u015fkiler bir-iki y\u0131ld\u0131r bir hayli yo\u011fun bi\u00e7imde s\u00fcr\u00fcyor.\u201d<\/p>\n Akt\u00fcel:<\/strong> \u201cBug\u00fcn \u201chakiki\u201d Lazlar\u2019\u0131n ya\u015fad\u0131\u011f\u0131 b\u00f6lgenin bir s\u0131n\u0131r\u0131n\u0131 \u00e7izmenizi istesek\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n Ahmet K\u0131r\u0131m:<\/strong> \u201cTC devleti s\u0131n\u0131rlar\u0131 i\u00e7inde \u00c7ayeli ile Pazar aras\u0131ndaki Kemer deresinden ba\u015flay\u0131p s\u0131n\u0131r kap\u0131s\u0131 Sarp\u2019a, oradan da Abhazya\u2019ya kadar devam eder.\u201d<\/p>\n Akt\u00fcel:<\/strong> \u201cBu durumda, tan\u0131d\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131zdan farkl\u0131 bir Laz tipi \u00e7\u0131km\u0131yor mu ortaya?\u201d<\/p>\n Ahmet K\u0131r\u0131m:<\/strong> \u201cGer\u00e7ekten de eskiden Laz denince sar\u0131\u015f\u0131n, mavi\/ \u00e7ak\u0131r g\u00f6zl\u00fc, kemer burunlu insanlar akla gelirdi. Ama \u015fimdi s\u00fcre\u00e7 i\u00e7inde beslenme de\u011fi\u015fti, do\u011fa \u015fartlar\u0131 de\u011fi\u015fti\u2026 Dolay\u0131s\u0131yla Lazlar\u2019\u0131n fiziki \u00f6zelliklerinde de bir tak\u0131m de\u011fi\u015fiklikler oldu. Lazlar \u015fimdi kumral, kahvarengi, \u00e7ok az olarak mavi g\u00f6zl\u00fc; burun yap\u0131s\u0131 kemerli olmamakla birlikte, \u00e7ok m\u00fctenasip de olmayan insanlar. Ama eski tip Laz\u2019\u0131 arasan\u0131z da bulamazs\u0131n\u0131z.\u201d<\/p>\n Laz Politikac\u0131 G\u00f6z\u00fcyle \u201cLaz Enstit\u00fcs\u00fc\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n \u201cLazlar ve K\u00fcrtler T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de az\u0131nl\u0131k de\u011fil birinci s\u0131n\u0131f vatanda\u015ft\u0131r. E\u011fer, ikinci s\u0131n\u0131f vatanda\u015f ve az\u0131nl\u0131k olmay\u0131 istiyorlarsa, kursunlar. Bak\u0131n, bug\u00fcn ba\u015fta \u0130stanbul olmak \u00fczere, T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin ekonomik ya\u015fam\u0131n\u0131 ve ticari ili\u015fkilerini kontrol alt\u0131nda tutanlar\u0131n a\u011f\u0131rl\u0131kl\u0131 b\u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fcn\u00fc Lazlar\u2019la K\u00fcrtler olu\u015fturuyor. Bu bak\u0131mdan, Lazlar\u2019\u0131n, b\u00f6yle bir talepte bulunmas\u0131n\u0131 gerektiren herhangi bir neden bulunmamaktad\u0131r. Bu olsa olsa bir Laz \u015fakas\u0131d\u0131r ve \u00f6\u011fleden sonra yap\u0131lm\u0131\u015ft\u0131r.\u201d<\/p>\n +<\/p>\n \u201cKursunlar. Ne olacak ki? Zaten T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de Lazlar\u2019\u0131n say\u0131s\u0131 da \u00e7ok fazla de\u011fil. Bir k\u00fclt\u00fcr varl\u0131\u011f\u0131 olarak Rize\u2019nin bir b\u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fc ile Hopa aras\u0131ndaki bir b\u00f6lgede varl\u0131klar\u0131n\u0131 s\u00fcrd\u00fcr\u00fcyorlar. Ancak, ya\u015fl\u0131lar Lazca konu\u015fuyor. Alfabeleri yok, yaz\u0131l\u0131 k\u00fclt\u00fcrleri bulunmuyor. Bir k\u00fclt\u00fcrel zenginlik olarak b\u00f6yle bir enstit\u00fcn\u00fcn kurulmas\u0131 bana ters gelmiyor. Laz k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fcn\u00fc ara\u015ft\u0131r\u0131r\u0131z, b\u00f6ylece k\u00fclt\u00fcrel zenginli\u011fimizin boyutlar\u0131 geli\u015fir.\u201d<\/p>\n +<\/p>\n \u201cCiddi de\u011fildir. Laz \u015fakas\u0131d\u0131r, \u00f6\u011fleden sonra yap\u0131lm\u0131\u015f bir Laz \u015fakas\u0131d\u0131r. Karadeniz insan\u0131 bu t\u00fcr \u015feylerin pe\u015finden ko\u015fmaz. Bizim k\u00fclt\u00fcrel yap\u0131m\u0131z bellidir. Bilin\u00e7li bir toplulu\u011fuz, b\u00f6yle \u015feylerin pe\u015finden ko\u015fmay\u0131z. Laz, K\u00fcrt\u2019\u00fcn deniz g\u00f6rm\u00fc\u015f\u00fcd\u00fcr; karde\u015fidir.\u201d<\/p>\n +<\/p>\n \u201cT\u00fcrkiye devletinin tarihinde, \u00f6zellikle \u0130stiklal Sava\u015f\u0131\u2019ndan beri, T\u00fcrkiye Cumhuriyeti\u2019nin ve T\u00fcrlk milletinin menfaatleri do\u011frultusunda canla ba\u015fla m\u00fccadele edenler, ba\u015fta Karadenizliler\u2019dir. Bug\u00fcne kadar, hi\u00e7bir Karadenizli\u2019nin devlete kar\u015f\u0131 bir hareket i\u00e7inde oldu\u011fu g\u00f6r\u00fclmemi\u015ftir. E\u011fer, b\u00f6yle bir enstit\u00fc kurmak isteyenler varsa, onlar Karadenizli de\u011fildir; Karadenizli iseler bile, Karadenizli olma \u00f6zelliklerini yitirmi\u015f kimselerdir. Bence, s\u00f6z\u00fcn\u00fc etti\u011finiz bu giri\u015fimi ciddiye almak do\u011fru de\u011fildir; \u00fczerinde durmak da\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n +<\/p>\n \u201cBana b\u00f6yle bir duyum ula\u015fmad\u0131. \u015eimdi, bug\u00fcn T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de bu t\u00fcr gayretlerin arkas\u0131nda hep bir maksat aran\u0131yor. Bu a\u015famada b\u00f6yle bir i\u015fe giri\u015filmesinin de ard\u0131nda b\u00f6yle bir maksat aran\u0131r. T\u00fcrkiye, \u00e7ok kritik bir d\u00f6nemden ge\u00e7iyor. E\u011fer, normal bir d\u00f6nemde olsayd\u0131k ve olay sadece k\u00fclt\u00fcrel ara\u015ft\u0131rma esas\u0131n\u0131 g\u00fctseydi, olabilirdi, normal kar\u015f\u0131lanabilirdi. Ama, bug\u00fcn i\u00e7in normal de\u011fil, do\u011fru kar\u015f\u0131lanmaz. E\u011fer, T\u00fcrkiye demokrasiye tam olarak ge\u00e7mi\u015f olsa ve demokrasiyi hazmetmi\u015f olsayd\u0131, bunlar olabilirdi. Ama sorunlar ortada g\u00f6r\u00fcyorsunuz.\u201d<\/p>\n +<\/p>\n Not: Ba\u015fka partilerden Laz milletvekili olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131 i\u00e7in yaln\u0131zca ANAP milletvekillerinin g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015flerine ba\u015fvurulmu\u015ftur.\u201d<\/p>\n +<\/p>\n (Kaynak: Ha\u015fim Akman: \u201cLaz Enstit\u00fcs\u00fc Kuruluyor\u201d, A Akt\u00fcel Dergisi, say\u0131 66, 8- 14 Ekim 1992; Haber- s\u00f6yle\u015fiyi yay\u0131na haz\u0131rlayan: Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz)<\/p>\n +<\/p>\n (\u00d6nerilen okumalar:<\/strong>\u00a0\u201cBirlik Ve Beraberli\u011fe En \u00c7ok \u0130htiyac\u0131m\u0131z Oldu\u011fu D\u00f6nemde \u00c7atlak Bir Ses: T\u00fcrk De\u011fil Laz\u2019\u0131z!\u201d, Bug\u00fcn Gazetesi, 31 Ocak 1993;\u00a0\u00a0\u201cLaz Vakf\u0131\u2019na B\u00fcy\u00fck \u00d6fke Ya\u011fd\u0131: \u201cBiz Karadenizliler Sap\u0131na Kadar T\u00fcrk\u00fcz!\u201d, Bug\u00fcn Gazetesi, 1 \u015eubat 1993; \u201cLaz Vakf\u0131\u2019na Lanet!\u201d, Bug\u00fcn Gazetesi, 4 \u015eubat 1993; \u201cLaz Vakf\u0131 Y\u00fcz\u00fcnden Herkese Rezil Olduk!\u201d, Bug\u00fcn Gazetesi, 7 \u015eubat 1993)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":" Ali İhsan Aksamaz (Ön açıklama: Haşim Akman’ın “Laz Enstitüsü Kuruluyor” başlıklı bu haber- söyleşisi günümüzden neredeyse 30 yıl önce, 1992’de, A Aktüel Dergisi’nin 66. sayısında yayınlandı. Bu haber- söyleşide hem Laz kimliğini yaşatmak adına söylenenlerin hem de bu söylenenlere karşı çıkanların söylediklerinin birçok bakımdan eleştirel katkıya muhtaç olduğuna hiç kuşku yok. Ancak bunun çok da 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