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Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n (\u00d6n a\u00e7\u0131klama<\/strong>: Bug\u00fcnk\u00fc misafirim Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan. Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan, T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin sorunlar\u0131 ve \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcm yollar\u0131 ile Laz Tarihi \u00fczerine kendi duru\u015funa g\u00f6re kafa yoran, ara\u015ft\u0131ran, yazan ve yay\u0131nlanm\u0131\u015f kitaplar\u0131 da bulunan donan\u0131ml\u0131 bir ayd\u0131n. Daha \u00f6nce de, 2018\u2019de, \u00a0 kendisiyle Lazca bir s\u00f6yle\u015fi yapm\u0131\u015ft\u0131m; yay\u0131nlanm\u0131\u015ft\u0131. Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan,1990\u2019l\u0131 y\u0131llar\u0131n \u201cAyd\u0131nl\u0131k Gazetesi\u201dnde \u00e7al\u0131\u015fan H\u00fcseyin \u015eim\u015fek\u2019in, \u201cOgni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi\u201d ni okuyucular\u0131na tan\u0131tmak \u00fczere yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131 haber- s\u00f6yle\u015fi, \u201cAyd\u0131nl\u0131k Gazetesi\u201dnin 15 Ekim 1993 tarihli n\u00fcshas\u0131nda yay\u0131nland\u0131ktan sonra bizimle ba\u011flant\u0131 kurdu; tan\u0131\u015ft\u0131k. O g\u00fcn bu g\u00fcnd\u00fcr de tan\u0131\u015f\u0131kl\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z ve seviyeli dostlu\u011fumuz devam ediyor. Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan, \u201cOgni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi\u201dnin ilk yay\u0131nlanma s\u00fcrecinin yak\u0131ndan tan\u0131\u011f\u0131. Belki de Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan, bize kat\u0131lmasayd\u0131 \u201cOgni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi\u201dni \u00a0 \u00e7\u0131kartamazd\u0131k; kim bilir?! Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan ile \u201cOgni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi\u201dnin yay\u0131nlama s\u00fcreci, siyas\u00ee faaliyetleri ve yay\u0131nlanm\u0131\u015f ve yay\u0131nlanacak kitaplar\u0131na ili\u015fkin bir s\u00f6yle\u015fi yapt\u0131m. Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz)<\/p>\n +<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz: <\/strong>\u0130zin verirseniz, \u00f6ncelikle \u201cOgni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi\u201dne giden s\u00fcrecin kronolojisine ili\u015fkin k\u0131saca bilgi vermek istiyorum. 1992\u2019de Ant Yay\u0131nlar\u0131, \u201cLazlar\u2019\u0131n Tarihi\u201d adl\u0131 kitab\u0131 yay\u0131nl\u0131yor. Ard\u0131ndan Avukat Ahmet Hulusi K\u0131r\u0131m\u2019\u0131n \u201cA Akt\u00fcel Dergi\u201dnden Ha\u015fim Akman\u2019a beyanat veriyor. Bu beyanat, \u201cA Akt\u00fcel Dergisi\u201dnin 1992\/ 66. say\u0131s\u0131nda yay\u0131nlan\u0131yor. Bu beyanat\u0131n \u201cA Akt\u00fcel Dergisi\u201dnde yay\u0131nlanmas\u0131ndan sonra, Ahmet Hulusi K\u0131r\u0131m\u2019a ula\u015fan baz\u0131 Laz ayd\u0131nlar\u0131ndan baz\u0131lar\u0131yla bir \u201cLaz K\u00fclt\u00fcr Vakf\u0131 Giri\u015fim Komitesi\u201d olu\u015fturuluyor. Bu \u201cLaz K\u00fclt\u00fcr Vakf\u0131 Giri\u015fim Komitesi\u201dnin 5 XII 1992\u2019de \u0130stanbul\/ Bah\u00e7elievler \u201cAlyans D\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn Salonu\u201dnda bir toplant\u0131 d\u00fczenliyor. B\u00fct\u00fcn bunlar\u0131n sonras\u0131nda o zamanki \u201cBug\u00fcn Gazetesi\u201dsinin muhabir(ler)i Avukat Ahmet Hulusi K\u0131r\u0131m\u2019dan randevu al\u0131yor. Gazetenin muhabir(ler)i ile Avukat Ahmet Hulusi K\u0131r\u0131m, Avukat Cemil Memi\u015fo\u011flu, Y\u00fcksel Y\u0131lmaz ve Avni Erta\u015f bir araya geliyorlar; sohbet ediyorlar. \u201cBug\u00fcn Gazetesi\u201dnin muhabir(ler)i soruyor orada bulunanlar cevapl\u0131yor. Ancak kendileriyle yap\u0131lan s\u00f6yle\u015fi, ad\u0131 ge\u00e7en gazetede yay\u0131nlan\u0131nca ba\u015flar\u0131ndan kaynar sular d\u00f6k\u00fcl\u00fcyor. Bug\u00fcn Gazetesi\u2019nin 31 Ocak 1993 g\u00fcnl\u00fc n\u00fcshas\u0131 \u015fu s\u00fcrman\u015fetle yay\u0131nlan\u0131yor: \u201cBirlik Ve Beraberli\u011fe En \u00c7ok \u0130htiyac\u0131m\u0131z Oldu\u011fu D\u00f6nemde \u00c7atlak Bir Ses: T\u00fcrk De\u011fil Laz\u2019\u0131z!\u201d Gazete 1 \u015eubat1993 tarihli n\u00fcshas\u0131nda \u015f\u00f6yle bir haber yay\u0131nl\u0131yor: \u201cLaz Vakf\u0131\u2019na B\u00fcy\u00fck \u00d6fke Ya\u011fd\u0131: \u201cBiz Karadenizliler Sap\u0131na Kadar T\u00fcrk\u00fcz!\u201d \u201cBug\u00fcn Gazetesi\u201dnin ayn\u0131 minvaldeki yay\u0131n\u0131 7 \u015eubat 1993 tarihine kadar devam ediyor. Biliyorum, sizin g\u00f6zleriniz keskin, kula\u011f\u0131n\u0131z deliktir; muhakkak siz de b\u00fct\u00fcn bu s\u00fcreci d\u0131\u015far\u0131dan izlediniz. \u201cLazlar\u2019\u0131n Tarihi\u201d adl\u0131 kitab\u0131n yay\u0131nlanmas\u0131n\u0131 ve i\u00e7eri\u011fini o g\u00fcnlerde nas\u0131l de\u011ferlendirdiniz, de\u011ferlendiriyorsunuz? Yukar\u0131da kronolojisini verdi\u011fim o s\u00fcreci o g\u00fcnlerde nas\u0131l de\u011ferlendirdiniz, de\u011ferlendiriyorsunuz?<\/p>\n Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan: <\/strong>Ge\u00e7mi\u015fle ilgili geri d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015flerde kimi insanlar abart\u0131yla egolar\u0131n\u0131 beslerler. Ancak ben Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan ad\u0131n\u0131 ta\u015f\u0131yorum..Gereksiz kimlik s\u00fcslemeleri harc\u0131m de\u011fil.\u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc; Ne yap\u0131yor- nas\u0131l d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorsam pe\u015fim s\u0131ra onlar geliyor ve abart\u0131ya yer bile kalm\u0131yor. \u201cLazlar\u2019\u0131n Tarihi\u201d adl\u0131 kitap yay\u0131nland\u0131\u011f\u0131nda, G\u00fcrc\u00fc Yurtta\u015flar\u0131m\u0131 yani Laz gibi, K\u00fcrt gibi, \u00c7erkes gibi; \u201cCumhuriyeti kurduklar\u0131 i\u00e7in T\u00fcrk\u201d tan\u0131m\u0131 i\u00e7ine giren G\u00fcrc\u00fc Karde\u015flerimi tenzih ederek; bir avu\u00e7 \u201cG\u00fcrc\u00fc Megelao \u0130deas\u0131n\u0131\u201d savunan \u0131rk\u00e7\u0131 fanati\u011fin iddia etti\u011fi \u201cLazlar G\u00fcrc\u00fclerin bir soyu- boyu- koludur\u201d t\u00fcr\u00fcnden sa\u00e7ma sapanl\u0131k beni \u00e7ok rahats\u0131z etmi\u015fti. G\u00fcrc\u00fclerin Kolkhis Kafkayas\u0131nda ancak Hazar\u2019\u0131n do\u011fusundaki topraklar\u0131 i\u015fgal edildikten, yani Lazlardan yakla\u015f\u0131k 2000 y\u0131l kadar sonra bug\u00fcn ya\u015fad\u0131klar\u0131 topraklara gelerek Laz egemenli\u011finde ya\u015fad\u0131klar\u0131n\u0131 ve G\u00fcrc\u00fc prof.lar\u0131n Lenin\u2019den sonra insan kasab\u0131 Stalin\u2019e i\u015fpiyonaj ile etki ederek \u00f6nce \u0130skender \u00c7\u0130TA\u015e\u0130\u2019yi ast\u0131rtmalar\u0131 ve SSCB D\u0131\u015f \u0130\u015fleri Bakan\u0131 Molotov arac\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131yla; Kars- Ardahan- Artvin gibi topraklar\u0131m\u0131zda hak iddia etmelerini d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcnce \u201cLazlar\u2019\u0131n Tarihi\u201d adl\u0131 kitap arac\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131yla ne ama\u00e7lad\u0131klar\u0131n\u0131 anlayarak b\u00fcy\u00fck tepki verdim ve bunu biliyorsun ki \u201cOGN\u0130\u201dde \u00e7ok zaman da ifade ettim.<\/p>\n Hatta o fanatik G\u00fcrc\u00fclerin benim i\u00e7in \u201ctepemizdeki Demokles\u2019in k\u0131l\u0131c\u0131\u201d \u015feklindeki yak\u0131nmalar\u0131 da kula\u011f\u0131ma geliyordu. Elbette Laz konular\u0131ndaki giri\u015fimlerden haberdard\u0131m ve s\u0131cak bir ilgiyle takip ediyordum. Kald\u0131 ki o zamanlarda bu t\u00fcr Laz tandansl\u0131 konular\u0131 g\u00fcndeme ta\u015f\u0131mak her babayi\u011fidin harc\u0131 de\u011fildi. Bug\u00fcn Laz konusunda ahk\u00e2m kesen kimilerini k\u00f6\u015femden onun i\u00e7in g\u00fclerek izliyorum. \u201cYok OGN\u0130C\u0130YM\u0130\u015e\u201d de yok bilmem neymi\u015f. Zaten oldum olas\u0131 Laz konusuna rantiye \u00e7izgisinde bakanlarla aram hi\u00e7 iyi olmad\u0131. \u201cBug\u00fcn Gazetesi\u201dnin o ilkel ve bask\u0131c\u0131 y\u00f6ntemler yanl\u0131s\u0131 pa\u00e7avravari yay\u0131nlar\u0131 da asl\u0131nda beni \u00e7ok \u00f6fkelendirmi\u015fti. Cumhuriyeti kurarak T\u00fcrk olarak tan\u0131mlanan insanlar\u0131n k\u00fclt\u00fcrel yap\u0131lanma istekleri ancak fa\u015fizan kafalar\u0131n kabul etmeyece\u011fi bir ilkellikti, bana g\u00f6re.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz:<\/strong> \u201cBug\u00fcn Gazetesi\u201dnin bir hafta s\u00fcren o yay\u0131n\u0131ndan sonra bir \u201cLaz Enstit\u00fcs\u00fc\u201d veya \u201cLaz Vakf\u0131\u201d kurma s\u00fcreci kesintiye u\u011fruyor. Avukat Ahmet Hulusi K\u0131r\u0131m\u2019\u0131n yaz\u0131hanesinde Pazar g\u00fcnleri toplant\u0131lar yap\u0131lsa da bir sonu\u00e7 al\u0131nam\u0131yor. Ben buraya kadar olan bu s\u00fcrecin i\u00e7inde de\u011fildim. Avukat Ahmet Hulusi K\u0131r\u0131m ile tan\u0131\u015fmam 1993 Haziran\u2019\u0131n\u0131n ikinci yar\u0131s\u0131ndan sonra ger\u00e7ekle\u015fti. O Pazar toplant\u0131lar\u0131na kat\u0131lmam Avukat Ahmet Hulusi K\u0131r\u0131m\u2019\u0131n \u00f6nerisiyle oldu. Kat\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131m iki ya da \u00fc\u00e7 Pazar Toplant\u0131s\u0131n\u0131n havanda su d\u00f6vmeyle ge\u00e7ti\u011fini g\u00f6rd\u00fc\u011f\u00fcm i\u00e7in o toplant\u0131lara art\u0131k kat\u0131lmayaca\u011f\u0131m\u0131 Avukat Ahmet Hulusi K\u0131r\u0131m\u2019a s\u00f6yledim. Ancak bir dergi \u00e7\u0131kartma \u00f6nerisinde bulundum. Bir sonraki Pazar Toplant\u0131s\u0131nda dergi \u00e7\u0131kartma \u00f6nerimi, toplant\u0131ya kat\u0131lanlara ilettim. Bu \u00f6nerim kabul g\u00f6rmedi. Ben de \u201cEyvallah\u201d deyip toplant\u0131y\u0131 da binay\u0131 da palas pand\u0131ras terk ettim. Bir ak\u015fam Avukat Ahmet Hulusi K\u0131r\u0131m, beni evden telefonla arad\u0131. \u201cHoca, yar\u0131n okul \u00e7\u0131k\u0131\u015f\u0131 geliver. Dergi meselesine s\u0131cak bakan arkada\u015flarla bir toplant\u0131 yapaca\u011f\u0131z. Aram\u0131zda olursan, memnun olurum,\u201d dedi. \u201cHay hay,\u201d dedim. Ertesi g\u00fcn okul \u00e7\u0131k\u0131\u015f\u0131 Avukat Ahmet Hulusi K\u0131r\u0131m\u2019\u0131n ofisine gittim; bulu\u015ftuk. Toplant\u0131da hat\u0131rlad\u0131\u011f\u0131m kadar\u0131yla Ahmet Hulusi K\u0131r\u0131m, Mecit \u00c7ak\u0131rusta, Y\u00fcksel Y\u0131lmaz, Avni Erba\u015f, \u0130smail Avc\u0131 ve Mehmedali Bar\u0131\u015f Be\u015fli vard\u0131. O toplant\u0131ya kat\u0131lanlara neden bir dergi \u00e7\u0131kartman\u0131n \u00f6nemli oldu\u011funu anlatmaya \u00e7al\u0131\u015ft\u0131m. D\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnce ve yakla\u015f\u0131mlar\u0131n\u0131 \u00f6\u011frenmeye \u00e7al\u0131\u015ft\u0131m. \u00d6nerim kabul g\u00f6rd\u00fc. Sonraki zaman diliminde birka\u00e7 kez daha topland\u0131k. Derginin ad\u0131nda karar k\u0131ld\u0131k: \u201cOgni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi\u201d. Gerekli kanun\u00ee ba\u015fvurular yap\u0131ld\u0131. S\u0131ra dergini \u00e7\u0131kaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131 duyurmaya geldi. Avukat Ahmet Hulusi K\u0131r\u0131m, o zamanlar \u201cAyd\u0131nl\u0131k Gazetesi\u201dnde \u00e7al\u0131\u015fan eski ahbab\u0131na rica etti. H\u00fcseyin \u015eim\u015fek de bizleri k\u0131rmayarak bizlerle bir s\u00f6yle\u015fi yapt\u0131. Bu haber- s\u00f6yle\u015fi, \u201cAyd\u0131nl\u0131k Gazetesi\u201dnin 15 Ekim 1993 tarihli n\u00fcshas\u0131nda yay\u0131nland\u0131. Sizi, bizimle bulu\u015fturan da bu haber- s\u00f6yle\u015fi oldu. \u00d6yle biliyorum. Telefon a\u00e7arak bizimle ba\u011flant\u0131 kurdunuz. S\u00f6zle\u015ftik ve \u201cOgni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi\u201dnin ofisine geldiniz; tan\u0131\u015ft\u0131k. B\u00f6ylelikle siz de dergi s\u00fcrecine kat\u0131lm\u0131\u015f oldunuz. \u015eimdi hat\u0131rlayabildi\u011fim kadar\u0131yla o zamanlar siz de \u201cAyd\u0131nl\u0131k Gazetesi\u201dnde yaz\u0131yordunuz. Bizimle neden ba\u011flant\u0131 kurma ihtiyac\u0131 hissettiniz? Bizimle ba\u011flant\u0131 kurmadan \u00f6nce ve sonraki de\u011ferlendirmelerinizi bizimle payla\u015fabilir misiniz?<\/p>\n Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan: <\/strong>Burada k\u00fc\u00e7\u00fck bir ayr\u0131nt\u0131 var. O s\u00f6yle\u015fiden \u00f6nceydi sizlerle ili\u015fki kurmam. Ba\u011flant\u0131y\u0131 kurmamdaki masumane amac\u0131m; Tarihin her d\u00f6neminde var olan Lazlar\u0131n, bug\u00fcn topraklar\u0131 \u00fczerinde bir devletlerinin olmamas\u0131n\u0131 f\u0131rsat bilenlerin, hatta SSCB de Laz ve G\u00fcrc\u00fclerin yar\u0131 yar\u0131ya temsil edildi\u011fi bilindi\u011fi halde (Biliyorsun \u201cY\u00fcksek Komiserler Ba\u015fkan\u0131\u201d Gamsahurdia, \u015eevarnadze katili Lazlar\u0131n bu haklar\u0131n\u0131 gasp etti\u011fi i\u00e7in isyan etmi\u015f ve C\u0130A arac\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131yla \u00f6ld\u00fcrt\u00fclm\u00fc\u015ft\u00fc. Yerine ge\u00e7en Loti Kobalya ise basit bir Mafyac\u0131 olmaktan \u00f6teye ge\u00e7ememi\u015fti). Lazlar\u0131n yetim b\u0131rak\u0131lmas\u0131 beni hep h\u00fcz\u00fcnlendirirdi. Hele hele Lenin\u2019in Kuvay-i Milliyeye yard\u0131m ko\u015fullar\u0131ndan biri olan \u201cLaz Devletinin kurulmas\u0131\u201d konusuna K\u00e2z\u0131m Karabekir\u2019in koydu\u011fu not olan; \u201c2000 y\u0131ldan beri zar zor uyuttu\u011fumuz Lazlar\u0131 uyand\u0131racak bu madde kabul edilemez\u201d \u015ferhi de akl\u0131mdayken, elbette ki b\u00f6yle bir idealist grubun i\u00e7inde olmal\u0131yd\u0131m. Biliyorsun ki do\u011fru bildi\u011fim ve sa\u011flamas\u0131n\u0131 yaparak kabul etti\u011fim hi\u00e7bir konuda \u00f6d\u00fcn vermez ki\u015fili\u011fim vard\u0131 ya da genlerimde \u00f6yle bir miras vard\u0131 ki i\u015fte buydu Laz olmak. Ben de Laz olmakla hareketlendim.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz: <\/strong>Biz dergiyi \u00e7\u0131kartmak i\u00e7in b\u00fct\u00fcn kanun\u00ee formaliteleri tamamlam\u0131\u015ft\u0131k. Hatta bir anlamda bir yay\u0131n kurulu da olu\u015fturmu\u015ftuk. \u201cAyd\u0131nl\u0131k Gazetesi\u201dnde \u00e7\u0131kan haber- s\u00f6yle\u015fiyle \u201cOgni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi\u201dnin 1993 Ekim sonu gibi \u00e7\u0131kaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131 da duyurmu\u015ftuk. Ancak b\u00fct\u00fcn bunlara ra\u011fmen, bu durum, derginin kesinlikle yay\u0131nlanaca\u011f\u0131 anlam\u0131na gelmiyordu. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc Baz\u0131 arkada\u015flar h\u00e2l\u00e2 \u201cBir s\u00fcre erteleyelim, \u201cdiyorlard\u0131. Bu s\u00f6ylemleri, asl\u0131nda \u201cDergiyi yay\u0131nlamayal\u0131m, \u201c anlam\u0131na geliyordu. Birka\u00e7 toplant\u0131 bu minvalde anlams\u0131z tart\u0131\u015fmalarla ge\u00e7ti. \u0130\u015fte siz, o anlams\u0131z toplant\u0131lar\u0131n yap\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131 s\u00fcre\u00e7te aram\u0131za kat\u0131ld\u0131n\u0131z; bize g\u00fc\u00e7 verdiniz.. Fakat daha \u00f6nce \u201cDergiyi yay\u0131nlamay\u0131 bir s\u00fcre erteleyelim, \u201cdiyenler, bu sefer de dergide yay\u0131nlanacak makaleler konusunda sorun \u00e7\u0131kartt\u0131lar. Siz aya\u011fa kalkt\u0131n\u0131z ve masaya yumru\u011funuzu vurarak \u201cKarde\u015fim, ya hep beraber bu dergiyi burada yay\u0131nlar\u0131z ya da ben kendim dergi \u00e7\u0131kar\u0131r\u0131m, \u201cdediniz. K\u0131sa bir sessizlikten sonra, derginin yay\u0131nlanmas\u0131na kar\u015f\u0131 \u00e7\u0131kanlar kalkt\u0131lar, \u00e7ekip gittiler. Kendilerini bir daha bu \u00e2lemde g\u00f6rmedim. Biz, \u201cOgni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi\u201dni \u00e7\u0131kartamasayd\u0131k, ger\u00e7ekten de siz bir dergi \u00e7\u0131kartacak m\u0131yd\u0131n\u0131z? Bl\u00f6f m\u00fc yapt\u0131n\u0131z? Sizin b\u00fct\u00fcn bunlar\u0131n ya\u015fand\u0131\u011f\u0131 s\u00fcreci nas\u0131l de\u011ferlendiriyorsunuz?<\/p>\n Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan: <\/strong>O g\u00fcnlerde bu ihanet sapk\u0131nl\u0131klar\u0131 kimilerince normaldi. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc korku da\u011flar\u0131 bekliyordu. Ben hi\u00e7bir zaman Dergi \u00e7\u0131kar\u0131lmas\u0131n erteliyelimcilerden olmad\u0131m. Evet! Yap\u0131m da zaten buna uygun de\u011fil. Ger\u00e7ek anlamda, \u201cOGN\u0130\u201d e\u011fer yay\u0131mlanmasayd\u0131 \u201cOho\u015fkvera\/ \u00d6zg\u00fcrl\u00fck\u201d ad\u0131yla bir dergi \u00e7\u0131karacakt\u0131m. Kapsam\u0131n\u0131 geni\u015f tutmay\u0131 planlad\u0131\u011f\u0131m bu dergi gereksinimlerimize yan\u0131t verecek d\u00fczeyde olacakt\u0131. Sizlere g\u00fc\u00e7 vermem konusu benim utanmama neden olur. G\u00fc\u00e7 sizlerde vard\u0131 ki ben orada ispat-\u0131 v\u00fccut etmi\u015ftim, Cuma. \u00d6zellikle senin yap\u0131c\u0131-arabulucu g\u00fczelliklerin olmasayd\u0131, belki de ben o korkaklar y\u00fcz\u00fcnden \u201cOGN\u0130\u201dyi terk ederdim. Daha sonra da izledi\u011fin gibi diyeyim; ben hi\u00e7 bl\u00f6f yapmam. Yapmad\u0131m da! Derginin \u00e7\u0131kar\u0131lmas\u0131nakar\u015f\u0131 olanlar \u00e7ekti gitti ama ben sessizli\u011fimi korur ve yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z o ulv\u00ee \u00e7\u0131k\u0131\u015f\u0131 seslendirmezken onlar \u201cOGN\u0130\u201dnin ekme\u011fini yemekle me\u015fguller.<\/p>\n Ben hep ne diyorum; Ahmet Hulusi K\u0131r\u0131m, Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz, Mehmedali Bar\u0131\u015f Be\u015fli, Y\u00fcksel Y\u0131lmaz ve benim d\u0131\u015f\u0131mda \u201cOGN\u0130\u201dci yoktur bu \u00fclkede. Kim ne anlat\u0131yorsa, Tarihi sapt\u0131rmakt\u0131r ve kendilerini parlatmak bencilli\u011finden \u00f6teye milim ge\u00e7mez.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz:<\/strong> Y\u00f6n Matbaac\u0131l\u0131k yetkilisi telefon ederek \u201cOgni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi\u201dnin 1. say\u0131s\u0131n\u0131n bas\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131 haberini verdi. Birka\u00e7 araba ile matbaaya gittik. 15 Kas\u0131m 1993 ak\u015fam\u0131 Ogni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi\u201dni elimize ald\u0131k. \u00a0 Y\u00f6n Matbaas\u0131nda b\u00fcy\u00fck bir co\u015fku ya\u015fad\u0131k. Siz de oradayd\u0131n\u0131z. Neler s\u00f6ylemek istersiniz? O \u00e2na ili\u015fkin duygular\u0131n\u0131z\u0131 bizimle payla\u015f\u0131r m\u0131s\u0131n\u0131z?<\/p>\n Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan: <\/strong>Muhte\u015fem bir \u00e2nd\u0131 o \u00e2n. Bunu kelimeler zor ifade eder. Var olan tek \u00e7ocu\u011fumun yan\u0131nda \u201cOGN\u0130\u201d ikinci \u00e7ocu\u011fum olarak kuca\u011f\u0131mdayd\u0131. \u00c7ok ama \u00e7ok \u00f6zel bir g\u00fcnd\u00fc ve sevincim, mutlulu\u011fum da \u00e7ok \u00e7ok \u00f6zeldi. Nihayet neredeyse 100 y\u0131l sonra \u00fclkemin \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcnc\u00fc demografik g\u00fcc\u00fc Lazlar sahne al\u0131yordu, \u00fclkem sosyalitesinde. Bunu ba\u015fka nas\u0131l anlatabilirim bilmem ki!<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz:<\/strong> Ahmet Hulusi K\u0131r\u0131m, \u201cOgni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi\u201d i\u00e7in yazd\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z makalelerin m\u00fcstear isimlerle yay\u0131nlanmas\u0131 konusunda bizi ikna etti. Kendisi de, ben de, derginin sahibi ve yaz\u0131 i\u015fleri m\u00fcd\u00fcr\u00fc bile m\u00fcstear isimlerle yazd\u0131k. Bir, Y\u00fcksel Y\u0131lmaz kendi ad\u0131n\u0131 kulland\u0131, bir de siz. Sizce m\u00fcstear isimle yazmak do\u011fru bir davran\u0131\u015f m\u0131yd\u0131? Hat\u0131rl\u0131yorum; siz \u201cKarde\u015fim, ben m\u00fcstear isimle yazmam! Bana DGM dava a\u00e7\u0131lacaksa, a\u00e7\u0131ls\u0131n. Mahkemeye giderim; savunmam\u0131 Lazca yapar\u0131m, tek kelime T\u00fcrk\u00e7e konu\u015fmam! Terc\u00fcman bulsunlar!\u201d dediniz. Bunu unutam\u0131yorum. Bu yakla\u015f\u0131m\u0131n\u0131z\u0131n sebebi neydi? Biraz konuyu a\u00e7ar m\u0131s\u0131n\u0131z? Ger\u00e7ekten de hakk\u0131n\u0131zda DGM dava a\u00e7sayd\u0131, savunman\u0131z\u0131 Lazca m\u0131 yapacakt\u0131n\u0131z?<\/p>\n Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan: <\/strong>Cuma, her grubun bir liberosu olur. E\u011fer top kaleye girecekse penalt\u0131 bile yaparak kalesini korur. \u00d6mr\u00fcm\u00fcn sadece asker oldu\u011fum d\u00f6nemlerinde \u201cDemokrat Gazetesi\u201dnde Y\u0131lmaz Do\u011fan, \u201cPolitika Gazetesi\u201dnde Samim Yaz\u0131c\u0131o\u011flu, \u201cCumhuriyet Gazetesi\u201dnde \u0130lhan Sel\u00e7uk\u2019un iste\u011fiyle Muhsin Ertu\u011frul ve birka\u00e7 dergide Kaya Kayan ya da Sanat Kumara olarak yaz\u0131lar yazd\u0131m. Bunda da amac\u0131m TSK taraf\u0131ndan kolayca ele ge\u00e7irilmek istememem ger\u00e7e\u011fi yat\u0131yordu. Bu c\u00fcmleden olmak \u00fczere Malatya 7. Ana Jet \u00dcss\u00fcnde g\u00f6revliyken B\u00f6lge Tiyatrosunda Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan olarak g\u00f6rev yapmam\u0131n derdini baya\u011f\u0131 \u00e7ektim. Seyirciler aras\u0131nda beni tan\u0131yanlar olacakt\u0131 ve takma isim kullanamazd\u0131m. L\u00e2kin \u201cOGN\u0130 OLAYI\u201d ba\u015fkayd\u0131. Orada Lazlar bir mil\u00e2da imza at\u0131yor ve \u00e7ok hakl\u0131lard\u0131. B\u00f6yle bir Tarihin d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015f\u00fcm noktas\u0131nda ger\u00e7ek kimli\u011fimle yer almal\u0131yd\u0131m. Benim d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcncem hep ayn\u0131d\u0131r. Sanal \u00e2lemde 18 kez kapat\u0131lan ana hesaplar\u0131mda da ayn\u0131y\u0131m. Di\u011ferleri belki korunma i\u00e7g\u00fcd\u00fcs\u00fcyle davrand\u0131lar ki hakl\u0131lar. Evet, DGM\u2019de yarg\u0131lansam da kesinkes Lazca konu\u015facakt\u0131m ve ben hep s\u00f6z\u00fcm\u00fcn pe\u015finden giden biriyim.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz: <\/strong>Burada belirtmeliyim; \u201cOgni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi\u201dni \u00e7\u0131kartanlar aras\u0131nda sizin ve Y\u00fcksel Y\u0131lmaz\u2019\u0131n d\u0131\u015f\u0131nda Lazcay\u0131 o zamanlar do\u011fru d\u00fcr\u00fcst bilen pek kimse yoktu. Sizin taa o zamanlar Lazca \u015fiirler yazd\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z\u0131 biliyorum; bir Lazca \u015fiir dosyan\u0131z\u0131 masan\u0131n \u00fcst\u00fcne b\u0131rak\u0131p \u201c\u0130steyen okusun!\u201d dedi\u011finizi hat\u0131rl\u0131yorum. Neler s\u00f6ylemek istersiniz?<\/p>\n Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan: <\/strong>Bu konu benim a\u00e7\u0131mdan b\u00fcy\u00fck \u00f6nem ta\u015f\u0131yor. Hi\u00e7 bir Laz leh\u00e7esini ay\u0131rt etmeden \u015funu belirtmek isterim: Saf Lazca bug\u00fcn F\u0131nd\u0131kl\u0131- Arhavi Lazcas\u0131d\u0131r. Daha da saf Lazca; Arhavi-Pilarget- Sideri a\u011fz\u0131d\u0131r. \u015eiirlerimi bu \u00e7izgide yazar\u0131m. Belki adet olarak bini ge\u00e7ti.Ve bir de Lazca kelimelerin arkas\u0131na \u201c-i, -a, -e, -u\u201d gibi harf takmalar\u0131n da Lazca olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131, sadece \u00e7ok s\u0131k\u0131\u015f\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131nda T\u00fcrk\u00fc ve \u015fiir dilinde bazen yap\u0131labildi\u011fini s\u00f6yler dururum. O eklemeler; \u201cG\u00fcrc\u00fc Megelao ideas\u0131\u201dn\u0131n iddia etti\u011fi istekle uyumludur. Bug\u00fcn \u201cHel\u201d kelimesinin Lazca \u201csel\u00e2m\u201d oldu\u011funu; \u201cmsil\u201d kelimesinin \u201ckum\u201d oldu\u011funu; \u201cg\u00f6lge\u201d kelimesinin \u201cAti\u201d; \u201cg\u00f6lgeli\u011fin\u201d \u201cAtina\u201d oldu\u011funu; \u201cbor\u00e7a\u201dn\u0131n \u201ckale\u201d oldu\u011funu; \u201cGzanora\u201dn\u0131n \u201cyolda\u015f-arkada\u015f\u201d oldu\u011funu; \u201chinsi\u201d nin \u201c\u00e7ay\u0131r\u201d oldu\u011funu; \u201chini\u201dnin \u201chayal\u201d oldu\u011funu; \u201cti\u015fi\u201d nin \u201c\u015fans\u201d, \u201cepra\u201dn\u0131n \u201cefe\u201d; \u201czeytin\u201d in \u201ctsira\u201d; \u201cciha\u201dn\u0131n \u201c\u00e7aylak\u201d oldu\u011funu ve bunun gibi nerdeyse 1500 antik Lazca kelimenin kullan\u0131lmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 g\u00f6rerek; \u00f6zellikle bu kelimeleri bar\u0131nd\u0131ran \u015fiirler yazarak Lazcaya katk\u0131 vermeyi s\u00fcrd\u00fcrebilece\u011fimi ve bunun i\u00e7in; her kelimesi c\u00fcmle i\u00e7inde kullan\u0131lmak \u015feklinde \u201cT\u00fcrk\u00e7e- Lazca s\u00f6zl\u00fck\u201d ile \u201cLaz grameri ve yaz\u0131s\u0131n\u0131 en \u00e7ok benzetti\u011fim \u201cLazona Men\u015feli Germany\u201d (Da\u011fl\u0131lar\u0131n- Almanlar\u0131n) diliyle haz\u0131rlad\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131 \u00f6zellikle belirtmek isterim.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz:<\/strong> \u201cOgni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi\u201dnin 1. say\u0131s\u0131 \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131ktan sonra, o zamanlar sizin de makalelerinizin yay\u0131nland\u0131\u011f\u0131 \u201cAyd\u0131nl\u0131k Gazetesi\u201dnde \u201cOgni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi\u201dnin k\u00fc\u00e7\u00fck bir il\u00e2n\u0131n\u0131n yay\u0131nlanmas\u0131n\u0131 sa\u011flam\u0131\u015ft\u0131n\u0131z: \u201cArt\u0131k Lazlar\u0131n da bir dergisi var!\u201d Bu, bir\u00e7ok bak\u0131mdan \u00e7ok \u00f6nemliydi. Sizin, \u201cOgni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi\u201dnde yazman\u0131z \u00e7evrenizde nas\u0131l kar\u015f\u0131land\u0131? Olumlu ve olumsuz nas\u0131l tepkiler ald\u0131n\u0131z m\u0131?<\/p>\n Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan: <\/strong>Genellikle b\u00fcy\u00fck bir heyecan ve sevin\u00e7le kar\u015f\u0131land\u0131. Baz\u0131 genetik hatal\u0131lar, ayr\u0131l\u0131k\u00e7\u0131 paftas\u0131 vursa da \u00e7ok \u00f6nemli g\u00f6r\u00fcld\u00fc. O zaman\u0131n \u201cAyd\u0131nl\u0131k Gazetesi\u201d g\u00fcn\u00fcm\u00fcz T\u00fcrkiye\u2019sindeki sosyal savunular\u0131n \u00e7ok ilerisindeydi. Perin\u00e7ek, dost g\u00f6z\u00fcyle bak\u0131yor ve ben de \u00f6yle g\u00f6r\u00fcyordum. Bug\u00fcn ayn\u0131 duygular\u0131m hi\u00e7 yok. Konu da bu \u00e7er\u00e7evede il\u00e2na d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015fm\u00fc\u015ft\u00fc.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz: <\/strong>\u201cOgni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi\u201dnin 1. say\u0131s\u0131 \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131ktan \u00e7ok k\u0131sa bir s\u00fcre sonra, dergide yay\u0131nlanan ilk \u00fc\u00e7 yaz\u0131dan dolay\u0131 DGM taraf\u0131ndan dava a\u00e7\u0131ld\u0131 ve toplatma karar\u0131 verildi. As\u0131l ilgin\u00e7 olan\u0131, dava ve toplatma karar\u0131ndan sonra, dergi \u00e7\u0131kmadan \u00f6nce \u201cDerginin \u00e7\u0131k\u0131\u015f\u0131n\u0131 erteleyelim, \u201c diyenlerin i\u00e7eri bile girmeden kap\u0131dan kafalar\u0131n\u0131 uzatarak \u201cBiz size s\u00f6yledik! \u00c7\u0131kartmay\u0131n dedik. Dinlemediniz! \u0130\u015fte g\u00f6rd\u00fcn\u00fcz m\u00fc, bizim dedi\u011fimiz oldu! Hakl\u0131 \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131k! Oh olsun!\u201d tavr\u0131n\u0131 sergilemelerini ve ald\u0131klar\u0131 dergileri b\u0131rak\u0131p binay\u0131 h\u0131zla terk etmelerini nas\u0131l kar\u015f\u0131lad\u0131n\u0131z, nas\u0131l de\u011ferlendiriyorsunuz? Bununla ba\u011flant\u0131l\u0131 bir soru daha: Avukat Ahmet Hulusi K\u0131r\u0131m\u2019\u0131n s\u00f6yledi\u011fine g\u00f6re, o zaman y\u00fcr\u00fcrl\u00fckte olan kanuna g\u00f6re, bir dergide yay\u0131nlanan bir makale hakk\u0131nda dava a\u00e7\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131 zaman, derginin sahibi hakk\u0131nda da, sorumlu yaz\u0131 i\u015fleri m\u00fcd\u00fcr\u00fc hakk\u0131nda da, o makaleyi yazan hakk\u0131nda dava a\u00e7\u0131l\u0131yordu. O sebeple \u201cOgni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi\u201dnin sahibi de sorumlu yaz\u0131 i\u015fleri m\u00fcd\u00fcr\u00fc de ayn\u0131 ki\u015fi oldu. Avukat Ahmet Hulusi K\u0131r\u0131m da i\u015fte bu sebeple makalelerin m\u00fcstear isimlerle yay\u0131nlanmas\u0131n\u0131 \u0131srar etti. \u201cYanacaksa, bir ki\u015fi yans\u0131n!\u201d dedi. Ancak sorumlu yaz\u0131 i\u015fleri m\u00fcd\u00fcr\u00fc, ifadesinde, dava a\u00e7\u0131lan ilk \u00fc\u00e7 makaleyi yazanlar\u0131n ad\u0131n\u0131 verdi\u011fi i\u00e7in m\u00fcstear isimlerle yazman\u0131n bir esprisi de kalmad\u0131. Dergi hakk\u0131nda dava a\u00e7\u0131ld\u0131ktan ve toplatma karar\u0131 verildikten sonra, daha \u00f6nce dergiye gelenlerin bir\u00e7o\u011fu art\u0131k aya\u011f\u0131n\u0131 kesti. Ancak siz, her g\u00fcn taa Kad\u0131k\u00f6y\u2019den gelerek \u201cOgni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi\u201dnin Aksaray\u2019daki ofisini hi\u00e7 yaln\u0131z b\u0131rakmayanlar aras\u0131ndayd\u0131n\u0131z. Bunu biliyorum. O g\u00fcnlere ili\u015fkin neler s\u00f6ylemek istersiniz?<\/p>\n Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan: <\/strong>\u201cOGN\u0130 \u00e7\u0131kmas\u0131n\u201d diyenler konusunda ne d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnd\u00fc\u011f\u00fcm\u00fc yukar\u0131da a\u00e7\u0131klamaya \u00e7al\u0131\u015fm\u0131\u015ft\u0131m. Hatta kesik kesik \u00f6ks\u00fcren Kaz\u0131m Koyuncu i\u00e7in sana espiri \u00e7izgisinde; \u201cKaz\u0131m da gitsin. \u00c7ok \u00f6ks\u00fcr\u00fcyor. Verem edecek bizi\u201d dedi\u011fimi bilmem hat\u0131rlar m\u0131s\u0131n? Ger\u00e7i Kaz\u0131m\u0131n derdi \u201cOGN\u0130\u201d de\u011fil gitar\u0131n\u0131 konu\u015fturmakt\u0131. Konu\u015fturdu da! Bana gelince, Cuma; bir olay\u0131n i\u00e7inde ya olurum ya olmam. Olursam her \u015feyimle olurum. Kimseyi kand\u0131rmak i\u00e7in g\u00f6r\u00fcnt\u00fc fig\u00fcranl\u0131\u011f\u0131 hi\u00e7 yapmam. Aksaray\u2019daki ofise geli\u015fim evet her g\u00fcn ger\u00e7ekle\u015fiyordu. Daha sonra emekli olan bir M\u0130T\u2019\u00e7inin dedi\u011fi gibi; binan\u0131n giri\u015f kap\u0131s\u0131 sa\u011f \u00e7apraz\u0131nda bulunan m\u00fchendislik b\u00fcrosundan \u00f6ld\u00fcr\u00fclmemin planlanmas\u0131 ve benim trip\u00f6rtor\u00fcn \u00f6n\u00fcnde ezilecek k\u00fc\u00e7\u00fck bir k\u0131z\u0131 kurtaracak hareketim nedeniyle teti\u011fe bas\u0131lmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 da biliyorum. Ger\u00e7i o zaman b\u00f6yle bir senaryodan haberdar etseler de yolumdan d\u00f6nmezdim.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz:<\/strong> \u201cOgni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi\u201dnin 1. say\u0131s\u0131 hakk\u0131nda DGM taraf\u0131ndan dava a\u00e7\u0131ld\u0131, toplatma karar\u0131 verildi ancak dergi kapat\u0131lmad\u0131. Bu ihtimali de d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnm\u00fc\u015ft\u00fck. Ne var ki, dava a\u00e7\u0131lmas\u0131 ve toplatma karar\u0131 verilmesi bizleri etkilemedi. Hemen 2. say\u0131 i\u00e7in haz\u0131rl\u0131klara ba\u015flad\u0131k. O d\u00f6nemdeki dik duru\u015funuzu hat\u0131rl\u0131yor ve sayg\u0131yla an\u0131yorum.\u00a0\u00a0 H\u00fcrriyet Gazetesi\u2019nden Yal\u00e7\u0131n Pek\u015fen\u2019in sizden de bilgi alarak yazd\u0131\u011f\u0131 ve 30 XI 1993\u2019de yay\u0131nlanan makalesi bizleri epey g\u00fcld\u00fcrm\u00fc\u015ft\u00fc. Yal\u00e7\u0131n Pek\u015fen\u2019in, DGM\u2019nin a\u00e7t\u0131\u011f\u0131 dava ve 1. say\u0131s\u0131yla ilgili verdi\u011fi toplatma karar\u0131 \u00fczerine \u201cH\u00fcrriyet Gazetesi\u201dnde yay\u0131nlanan o makalesiyle moral bulmu\u015ftuk: \u201cBuradan Bak\u0131nca\/ Ogni: Skani nena\u201d O g\u00fcnlere ili\u015fkin siz neler hat\u0131rl\u0131yorsunuz? Bizimle payla\u015fabilir misiniz?<\/p>\n Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan: <\/strong>Yal\u00e7\u0131n Pek\u015fen, Ko\u015fuyolu\u2019ndaki Yata\u015f Ma\u011fazama gelmi\u015fti. Hatta yataklar\u0131 g\u00f6r\u00fcnce yaz\u0131s\u0131nda da s\u00f6z etti\u011fi gibi \u201cHepsini satma! Bir tanesini kendine ay\u0131r! \u0130\u00e7erde gerekecek!\u201d demi\u015f ve g\u00fclm\u00fc\u015ft\u00fck. Yal\u00e7\u0131n Do\u011fan, bende kararl\u0131l\u0131k ve g\u00f6z\u00fcn\u00fc budaktan esirgemez bir ki\u015filik- yurtseverlik g\u00f6zlemlemi\u015fti. \u201cCumhuriyet Gazetesi\u201dnde oldu\u011fu d\u00f6nemde, 12 Eyl\u00fcl Fa\u015fizmi gazeteyi ku\u015fatt\u0131\u011f\u0131nda benim resm\u00ee elbise i\u00e7inde hi\u00e7bir bask\u0131y\u0131 umursamadan \u0130lhan Sel\u00e7uk a\u011fabeyi ziyaretimi hat\u0131rlam\u0131\u015f; Hulki Cevizo\u011flu ve birka\u00e7 ki\u015finin beni minnetle kar\u015f\u0131lamas\u0131n\u0131 hat\u0131rlatm\u0131\u015ft\u0131. \u00c7ok \u015fey hat\u0131rl\u0131yorum. Hatta Rize- Pazardan ekip olarak geldik diyen \u00fc\u00e7 M\u0130T\u2019\u00e7inin; \u201cSen Lazlar\u0131n do\u011fal lideri olarak g\u00f6r\u00fcl\u00fcyorsun. Da\u011fa 150 Laz gen\u00e7 \u00e7\u0131kard\u0131k.Emret Beykoz\u2019a kadar inletelim Karadeniz\u2019i\u201d yemlemesiyle ayr\u0131l\u0131k\u00e7\u0131 aramalar\u0131na \u00f6fkelenerek onlar\u0131 kovu\u015fumu ve bir de Almanya\u2019da bir konu\u015fmam\u0131n TV\u2019lerden yay\u0131nlayaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131 \u00f6\u011frenerek cafelere toplanan Lazlar\u0131n benim ekranda Tansu \u00c7iller\u2019in, \u201cT\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin bir tek \u00e7ak\u0131l par\u00e7as\u0131n\u0131 kimseye vermeyiz\u201d s\u00f6z\u00fcne; \u201cNe \u00e7ak\u0131l par\u00e7as\u0131?! Biz \u00fclkemizden r\u00fczg\u00e2r\u0131n g\u00f6t\u00fcrd\u00fc\u011f\u00fc minik bir kum tanesinin pe\u015findeyiz!\u201d dememle birlikte cafede duyulan sevinci nakletmesi beni \u00e7ok duyguland\u0131rm\u0131\u015ft\u0131. Elbette b\u00f6yle bir \u00e7ok anekdot saymam olas\u0131.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz: <\/strong>Siz yaln\u0131zca bir k\u00fclt\u00fcr adam\u0131 de\u011fil, ayn\u0131 zamanda da bir siyaset adam\u0131s\u0131n\u0131z. 27 Mart 1994 Yerel Se\u00e7imleri \u00f6ncesiydi. \u00dcsk\u00fcdar ve Havalisinde tan\u0131nan ve sevilen bir ki\u015fi oldu\u011funuz i\u00e7in, bir\u00e7ok siyas\u00ee partinin sizi \u00dcsk\u00fcdar Belediye Ba\u015fkanl\u0131\u011f\u0131na aday g\u00f6stermek istedi\u011fini biliyorum. (\u0130P) \u0130\u015f\u00e7i Partisi yetkililerinin \u00dcsk\u00fcdar Belediye Ba\u015fkanl\u0131\u011f\u0131na adayl\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z konusunda sizinle g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmeler yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 biliyorum. Daha sonra da (DEP) Demokrasi Partisi yetkililerinin de \u00dcsk\u00fcdar Belediye Ba\u015fkanl\u0131\u011f\u0131na adayl\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z konusunda sizinle g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmeler yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 biliyorum. En nihayetinde DEP\u2019ten \u00dcsk\u00fcdar Belediye Ba\u015fkanl\u0131\u011f\u0131na aday oldu\u011funuzu hat\u0131rl\u0131yorum. Ancak DEP, 27 Mart 1994 Yerel Se\u00e7imlerine kat\u0131lmaktan vazge\u00e7ti. \u00d6yle hat\u0131rl\u0131yorum. Dolay\u0131s\u0131yla da siz \u00dcsk\u00fcdar Belediye Ba\u015fkan\u0131 se\u00e7ilemediniz. Sizin bu siyas\u00ee faaliyetleriniz \u201cOgni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi\u201d \u00e7evresinde pek olumlu kar\u015f\u0131lanmad\u0131. Bu da, sizin \u201cOgni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi\u201dnden kopman\u0131z\u0131 getirdi. B\u00fct\u00fcn bu olup bitenlere ili\u015fkin neler s\u00f6ylemek istersiniz?<\/p>\n Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan: <\/strong>\u015e\u00f6yle \u00f6zetleyeyim; Siyasete, beni Mesut Y\u0131lmaz\u2019\u0131n \u00dcsk\u00fcdar Belediye Ba\u015fkan\u0131 yapmak istedi\u011fi haberiyle yana\u015ft\u0131m ilk. Ancak Mesut Y\u0131lmaz\u2019\u0131n, \u201cBu adam\u0131 durduramazs\u0131n! Yar\u0131n partinin Genel Ba\u015fkan\u0131 olur,\u201d diyenlerin kula\u011f\u0131na su ka\u00e7\u0131rmas\u0131yla bu ger\u00e7ekle\u015fmedi. Ben ANAP\u2019l\u0131 de\u011fildim elbette. L\u00e2kin CHP \u00f6yle bir ataletsizlik i\u00e7inde Ali Topuz\u2019un etkisi alt\u0131ndayd\u0131 ki, benim Belediye ba\u015fkan\u0131 aday\u0131 olmam\u0131 ayn\u0131 CHP\u2019liler \u201cayr\u0131l\u0131k\u00e7\u0131\u201d diyerek kabul etmemi\u015flerdi. Her ne kadar daha sonra adaylar\u0131n\u0131 Belediye Ba\u015fkan\u0131 se\u00e7tirdimse de. \u0130P, benim i\u00e7in cazip de\u011fildi. DEP in \u00f6nerisiyse a\u00e7\u0131kt\u0131; \u201cBize kat\u0131l! Se\u00e7ilece\u011fini biliyoruz. Alt\u0131 ay bizde Belediye Ba\u015fkanl\u0131\u011f\u0131 yap, sonra istedi\u011fin partiye ge\u00e7!\u201d diyen \u0130l Ba\u015fkan\u0131 Dr. Ahmet Bey\u2019in \u00f6nerisi daha cazip gelmi\u015fti. \u201cOGN\u0130\u201dden kopu\u015fumu ise, \u00e7ok iyi hat\u0131rlaman gerekir, k\u0131s\u0131r bir tart\u0131\u015fma ile asimile edilmi\u015f Lazlar\u0131n enstr\u00fcman\u0131 kemen\u00e7e olay\u0131n\u0131n kabul g\u00f6rmeyen ger\u00e7e\u011fi \u00fczerine olmu\u015f ve ayr\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131 a\u00e7\u0131klam\u0131\u015ft\u0131m. Hatta baz\u0131 \u00e7evreler \u201cSen ayr\u0131l\u0131rsan, \u201cOGN\u0130\u201d ancak birka\u00e7 say\u0131 daha \u00e7\u0131kabilir,\u201d demi\u015flerse de \u201cGeride kalanlar aslan gibi. Dergiyi g\u00f6t\u00fcrecek her t\u00fcr donan\u0131ma sahipler. Ben k\u0131r\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131m yere kaynak yapt\u0131rmam,\u201d diyerek ayr\u0131lm\u0131\u015ft\u0131m. DEP se\u00e7ime kat\u0131lmay\u0131nca tabii ki ben de kat\u0131lamad\u0131m ve o zaman\u0131n Saadet Partisi \u201cTek rakibimiz Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan se\u00e7ime kat\u0131lm\u0131yor\u201d diyerek \u00dcsk\u00fcdar\u2019da b\u00fcy\u00fck bir \u015f\u00f6len yapm\u0131\u015ft\u0131. Se\u00e7ildiler de.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz:<\/strong> \u201cOgni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi\u201dnden koptunuz ancak Laz dili ve tarihinize ili\u015fkin \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131n\u0131z devam etti. Bir\u00e7ok kitab\u0131n\u0131z yay\u0131nland\u0131. Nart Yay\u0131nc\u0131l\u0131k\u2019dan Kutarba Hayri Ersoy kitaplar\u0131n\u0131z\u0131n yay\u0131nlanmas\u0131nda size teknik ve benzeri konularda yard\u0131mc\u0131 oldu. Kutarba Hayri Ersoy\u2019un ad\u0131n\u0131 anm\u0131\u015fken bir de Ankara\u2019da \u015eevardnadze\u2019yi protesto maceras\u0131 var. \u0130stanbul\u2019dan otob\u00fcsler kalkm\u0131\u015ft\u0131. Hem Laz dili ve tarihinize ili\u015fkin \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131n\u0131z hem de o maceral\u0131 \u015eevardnadze\u2019yi protestolar\u0131na ili\u015fkin neler s\u00f6yleyebilirsiniz?<\/p>\n Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan: <\/strong>Muhte\u015fem bir olayd\u0131. Anlat\u0131lmaz. Orada i\u015fim bitti\u011finde yakamda \u201cOgni\u201d amblemini unutarak \u0130stanbul\u2019a d\u00f6nm\u00fc\u015f ve Ko\u015fuyolu\u2019nda bir b\u00fcfeden al\u0131\u015f-veri\u015f yaparken beni tan\u0131yan b\u00fcfecinin; \u201cAbi, az \u00f6nce TV\u2019deydin. Konu\u015fmandan o kadar etkilendim ki \u2018G\u00f6rd\u00fc\u011f\u00fcm yerde elini \u00f6pece\u011fim,\u2019 dedim e\u015fime. Ver elini \u00f6pece\u011fim!\u201d demesi ve t\u00fcm \u0131srarlar\u0131ma ra\u011fmen, asla \u00fccret almamas\u0131 an\u0131lar\u0131mda yer etmi\u015ftir. Tabii katil \u015eevardnadze\u2019nin protesto edilmesi \u00e7ok demokrat\u00e7ayd\u0131. Fa\u015fist\u00e7e o insanlar\u0131 cplayan polisimizin her \u015fey bittikten sonraki bu vah\u015fetini de unutmam m\u00fcmk\u00fcn de\u011fil. Ankaral\u0131 Lazlar\u0131n birbirleriyle haberle\u015ferek b\u00fcy\u00fck bir co\u015fkuyla beni \u201cOGN\u0130 TEMS\u0130LC\u0130S\u0130\u201d olarak kar\u015f\u0131lamalar\u0131 da \u00e7ok muhte\u015femdi. \u015eimdi \u201cOGN\u0130C\u0130\u201d olduklar\u0131n\u0131 yalanla yutturanlar o g\u00fcn bu protestoyu de\u011fil d\u00fczenlemek yan\u0131ndan bile ge\u00e7emeyecek ahmaklard\u0131r sadece.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz: <\/strong>Art\u0131k s\u00f6yle\u015fimizin sonuna geliyoruz. Lazca \u015fiirlerinize ili\u015fkin sormak istiyorum. Bu Lazca \u015fiirlerinizi ne zaman bir kitapta toplay\u0131p yay\u0131nlatacaks\u0131n\u0131z? Ayr\u0131ca Laz Tarihi \u00fczerine de \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yorsunuz. K\u0131saca bu konulara da de\u011finir misiniz?<\/p>\n Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan: <\/strong>Cuma! Laz Tarihini b\u00fcy\u00fck bir yan\u0131lg\u0131yla Urartular\u0131n M.\u00d6. 800\u2019l\u00fc y\u0131llarda Lazlardan ilk s\u00f6z eden olduklar\u0131n\u0131 s\u00f6ylemeleri sinirimi bozuyor. Bu insanlar, bir dilin en az 4000 ile 6000 y\u0131lda olu\u015ftu\u011funu da bilmiyorlar. Salt bu haliyle Laz Tarihi M.\u00d6. 5000\u2019li y\u0131llara gidiyor. Pontus kelimesini yavanca savunanlar\u0131n ge\u00e7mi\u015fte; \u201cUkrayna\u2019n\u0131n tamam\u0131ndan ba\u015flayan Pontus Havzas\u0131n\u0131n, Altaylar\u0131n kuzeyine dayanan batakl\u0131k- bozk\u0131r ve ova oldu\u011fundan bile habersiz olmalar\u0131 \u00e7ok rahats\u0131z edici. Bir d\u00f6nem Lazlar\u0131n Karadeniz\u2019e \u201cPomtik\/ ne\u015feli\u201d demelerini s\u00f6ylemek g\u00f6revim de\u011fil mi?! Pontus kelimesine Lazona\u2019da denk gelip dillerine alan Yunanl\u0131yla Laz\u0131 bir tutanlar\u0131n, Pelasg \u00d6n T\u00fcrklerinin Kolkhis\u2019te Lazla\u015farak Yunanl\u0131lar\u0131n Atalar\u0131 oldu\u011funu yazmayay\u0131m m\u0131?! Ara\u015ft\u0131rmalar\u0131m; iki \u00f6z karde\u015f T\u00fcrk ve Lazlar\u0131n M.\u00d6. 250 binli y\u0131llarda olu\u015fan Artikya ve i\u00e7 i\u00e7e olduklar\u0131 Hyperborea\u2019n\u0131n kuzeyde buz \u00e7a\u011f\u0131na girmesiyle oradan g\u00f6\u00e7 ederek; T\u00fcrklerin Gobi Cennetine, Laz Karde\u015flerinin de Kafda\u011f\u0131\u2019n\u0131n ard\u0131ndaki cennete yerle\u015ftiklerini anlatmayay\u0131m m\u0131?! Lazlara ad\u0131n\u0131 veren G\u00f6k G\u00fcne\u015f Tanr\u0131\u00e7a Laz ana (Kybele- Kubaba-Kuvava)\u2019 n\u0131n Yemen\u2019i dola\u015farak K\u00e2be\u2019ye Lad. Fonetik a\u00e7\u0131l\u0131m\u0131 Laz olarak girdi\u011fini bilmek gerekmez mi?! \u00c7ocuklar\u0131na \u201cBiz \u015einar (Lazca-Hat\u0131rlayacaks\u0131n)\u2019 dan geldik unutmayacaks\u0131n\u201d diyen S\u00fcmerlerin Lazona\u2019da Lazla\u015fm\u0131\u015f \u00d6n T\u00fcrkler oldu\u011fu ger\u00e7e\u011fi insanlar\u0131 rahats\u0131z etmemeli. Yurtd\u0131\u015f\u0131nda yap\u0131lan DNA analizimde y\u00fczde y\u00fcz Laz oldu\u011fum ve genlerimin Hamurabi dahil Amurrular-Fenikeliler\u2019de betkile\u015fim yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 ve bunun gibi bir \u00e7ok olay\u0131 vermeyeyim mi?! Verdim i\u015fte! Ve verdik\u00e7e \u201cG\u00fcne\u015fin \u00c7ocuklar\u0131: Lazlar\u201d ad\u0131n\u0131 verdi\u011fim son kitab\u0131m on bin sayfay\u0131 ge\u00e7ti. Lazca-T\u00fcrk\u00e7e a\u00e7\u0131klamal\u0131 \u015fiirlerim ve Karadeniz \u015fiveli \u015fiirlerimi ayr\u0131ca kitapla\u015ft\u0131rma karar\u0131 ald\u0131m. Lazcan\u0131n ya\u015famas\u0131 ve unutulmu\u015f kelimelerin canland\u0131r\u0131lmas\u0131n\u0131 istiyorum. Bir Laz\u2019\u0131n, \u201cM\u00e7hade\u201dnin \u201cger\u00e7ek\u201d, \u201chini\u201dnin \u201chayal\u201d oldu\u011funu bilmesi gerek.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz: <\/strong>So\u011fuk Sava\u015f y\u0131llar\u0131 sonras\u0131 Laz ayd\u0131nlar\u0131n\u0131n faaliyetlerine bir ba\u015fka a\u00e7\u0131dan \u0131\u015f\u0131k tuttu\u011funuz i\u00e7in size te\u015fekk\u00fcr ederim. Size uzun ve sa\u011fl\u0131kl\u0131 bir hayat dilerim. Sa\u011fl\u0131cakla kal\u0131n.<\/p>\n Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan: <\/strong>Son kez \u201cOGN\u0130\u201dnin muhte\u015fem ekibi; Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz, Ahmet Hulusi K\u0131r\u0131m, Mehmedali Bar\u0131\u015f Be\u015fli ve rahmetli Y\u00fcksel Y\u0131lmaz ile kendimi sayg\u0131ya de\u011fer bularak burada isimlerini tekrar etmekten onur duyuyorum. Bu s\u00f6yle\u015fi, Tarihe ger\u00e7ek anlamda \u0131\u015f\u0131k tutacakt\u0131r. Te\u015fekk\u00fcr ederim. Muhte\u015fem do\u011fru bir kronolojik s\u0131ralama ger\u00e7ekli\u011fi oldu. Gogihti, Cuma!<\/p>\n +<\/p>\n (\u00d6nerilen Okumalar<\/strong>: Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz, \u201c\u0130\u00e7indekilerle \u2018Ogni Dergisi\u2019 (1993- 1994)\u201d, 12 XI 2020; sonhaber.ch; Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz, \u201cLaz Ayd\u0131nlar\u0131n\u0131n giri\u015fimine bas\u0131ndan tepkiler\u201d, 14 V 2022, sonhaber.ch; Ayten Akg\u00fcn, \u201c Skudas Xalkepe\u015fi Cumapoba\u201d, \u00d6zg\u00fcr G\u00fcndem Gazetesi, 18 XI 1993; Ha\u015fim Akman: \u201cLaz Enstit\u00fcs\u00fc Kuruluyor\u201d, (A Akt\u00fcel Dergi, say\u0131 66, 8 X 1992) 13 VII 2017, sonhaber.ch\/ circassiancenter.com.tr; H\u00fcseyin \u015eim\u015fek, \u201cLazlar, f\u0131kralardan ta\u015f\u0131yor\u201d, Ayd\u0131nl\u0131k Gazetesi, 15 X 1993; K\u00e2mil Aksoylu, \u201cTarihe Tan\u0131kl\u0131k\/ Laz K\u00fclt\u00fcrel Hareketi\/ 93 S\u00fcreci\u201d (\u201cLaz K\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fc\u201d, Phoenix Yay\u0131nlar\u0131, Ankara, 2009); Mehmedali B. Be\u015fli, \u201cVicdanen malul bir devir bu devir\u201d, \u00dctopia Mevsimlik Hayatbilgisi Kitab\u0131, say\u0131 6, Piya- Zed Yay\u0131n, \u0130stanbul, 1999; Mehmedali Bar\u0131\u015f Be\u015fli, \u201cTarihe Kar\u015f\u0131 K\u0131sa Tarih\u201d, Mjora Lazepe\u015fi Nena, say\u0131 1, \u00c7iviyaz\u0131lar\u0131 Yay\u0131nevi, \u0130stanbul, 2000; Metin Sever, Baran Dural, \u201cDEP\u2019in Se\u00e7im Stratejisi\/ K\u00fcrt- Laz- \u00c7erkez \u0130ttifak\u0131\u201d&Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan: \u201cDEP\u2019e sayg\u0131 duyuyoruz\u201d, Nokta Dergisi, say\u0131 12\/ 6, Nokta Yay\u0131nlar\u0131, 30 I 1994; Metin Sever, \u201cKaf Da\u011f\u0131\u2019n\u0131n bu y\u00fcz\u00fc\/ T\u00fcrkiye\u2019deki Kafkasya (11)\/ Lazca bir dergi: Ogni\u201d, Radikal Gazetesi, 17 XII 1997; Naki \u00d6zkan, \u201cArt\u0131k Lazlar\u2019\u0131n da bir dergisi var\/ Nuh Peygamber de Lazca konu\u015fuyormu\u015f!\u201d EP\/ Ekonomi Politika, say\u0131 53, 28 XI 1993;Yal\u00e7\u0131n Pek\u015fen, \u201cBuradan Bak\u0131nca\/ Ogni: Skani nena\u201d, H\u00fcrriyet Gazetesi, 30 XI 1993; Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan, \u201cLazlar\u201d, Ogni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi, say\u0131 1, \u0130stanbul, Kas\u0131m 1993; Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan: \u201cBizimkiler Sohum\u2019a yerle\u015fmi\u015fler!\/\u201d \u00c7kunepe Soxumis dibargezdoren!\u201d 22 XI 2018, circassiancenter.com.tr; Y\u0131lmaz \u00d6zt\u00fcrk, \u201cLazlar Kimlik Aray\u0131\u015f\u0131nda\/ Ogni, skani nena!\u201d Y\u00f6n \u0130ntermedya, say\u0131 14, \u0130stanbul, 4 IV 1994)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":" Ali İhsan Aksamaz (Ön açıklama: Bugünkü misafirim Yılmaz Erdoğan. Yılmaz Erdoğan, Türkiye’nin sorunları ve çözüm yolları ile Laz Tarihi üzerine kendi duruşuna göre kafa yoran, araştıran, yazan ve yayınlanmış kitapları da bulunan donanımlı bir aydın. Daha önce de, 2018’de, kendisiyle Lazca bir söyleşi yapmıştım; yayınlanmıştı. Yılmaz Erdoğan,1990’lı yılların “Aydınlık Gazetesi”nde çalışan Hüseyin Şimşek’in, “Ogni 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