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Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong><\/p>\n (\u00d6n a\u00e7\u0131klama: Bug\u00fcnk\u00fc misafirim Murat \u00d6zden. Murat \u00d6zden, daha \u00f6nce de burada misafirim olmu\u015ftu; bizlere asimilasyon konusundaki de\u011ferlendirmelerini aktarm\u0131\u015ft\u0131. \u00d6ncelikle belirtmeliyim; Murat \u00d6zden, benim bilebildi\u011fim kadar\u0131yla, hep ilklerin \u00f6nc\u00fcs\u00fc olmu\u015f bir ayd\u0131n. \u201cUlusal Sorun ve \u00c7erkeslerin Konumu\u201d adl\u0131 \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmas\u0131 1979 y\u0131l\u0131nda yay\u0131nlanm\u0131\u015f. \u00a0Bu, Murat \u00d6zden\u2019in ilk ilkiymi\u015f. S\u0131k\u0131y\u00f6netim Askeri Mahkemesi kitap hakk\u0131nda dava a\u00e7m\u0131\u015f ve toplatma karar\u0131 vermi\u015f. Ard\u0131ndan da 1,5 y\u0131l hapis cezas\u0131 vermi\u015f. Sa\u011fmalc\u0131lar Cezaevinde yatm\u0131\u015f. Bu da ona bir ilk unvan kazand\u0131rm\u0131\u015f! Daha sonra bir ba\u015fka ilki ger\u00e7ekle\u015ftirdi ve 2015 y\u0131l\u0131nda \u201cDirilen \u015eark\u0131lar\u201d adl\u0131 \u00c7erkesce bir CD \u00e7\u0131kartt\u0131 ve bir\u00e7ok otantik \u00c7erkes \u015fark\u0131s\u0131n\u0131 \u00f6l\u00fcms\u00fczle\u015ftirdi. Murat \u00d6zden, \u00f6zg\u00fcn konumu sebebiyle siyas\u00ee partiler tarihinde de bir ilk oldu; \u00f6nce 2014 y\u0131l\u0131nda \u00c7o\u011fulcu Demokrasi Partisi\u2019nin, sonra da 2019 y\u0131l\u0131nda da Gelecek Partisi\u2019nin kurucular\u0131 aras\u0131nda yer ald\u0131. Sovyetler Birli\u011fi d\u00f6neminde yay\u0131nlanm\u0131\u015f \u00c7erkesce K\u2019uran-\u0131 Kerim\u2019den faydalanarak \u00f6\u011frencilerine \u00c7erkesce dersler vererek de bir ilki ger\u00e7ekle\u015ftirdi\u011fini burada belirtmeliyim. Lokallerinde canl\u0131 \u00c7erkesce m\u00fczik de yap\u0131yor. Murat \u00d6zden, bu s\u00f6yle\u015fimizde bizlere Maltepe \u00c7erkes Derne\u011fi ile Maksime K\u00fclt\u00fcr Merkezi\u2019nin faaliyetleri ve k\u00fclt\u00fcr merkezine ad\u0131n\u0131 veren maks\u0131me ile ilgili bilgiler verdi. 10 VI 2022\/ Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz)<\/p>\n +<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: \u00a0S\u00f6yle\u015fimizin esas konusu, \u00c7erkes bozas\u0131 olarak da tan\u0131t\u0131lan maks\u0131me fakat \u00f6ncelikle bizlere Maltepe \u00c7erkes Derne\u011fi hakk\u0131nda k\u0131saca bilgi verebilir misin? Ne zaman kuruldu? Ne t\u00fcr faaliyetler y\u00fcr\u00fct\u00fcyor?<\/p>\n Murat \u00d6zden<\/strong>: Maltepe \u00c7erkes Derne\u011fi 2013 y\u0131l\u0131nda \u00c7erkes Dernekleri Federasyonu\u2019nun kurucu Dernekleri aras\u0131nda yer ald\u0131. 8 y\u0131ldan beri ba\u015fkanl\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 y\u00fcr\u00fctt\u00fc\u011f\u00fcm\u00a0Maltepe \u00c7erkes Derne\u011fi, klasik dernek\u00e7ilik d\u0131\u015f\u0131nda \u00c7erkes toplumuna entellekt\u00fcel derinlik kazand\u0131rma ve yeni \u015feyler \u00f6nermenin pe\u015finde oldu. 2015 y\u0131l\u0131nda yay\u0131nlad\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z \u201cDirilen \u015eark\u0131lar\u201d Alb\u00fcm\u00fc d\u0131\u015f\u0131nda, partimiz \u00c7DP\u2019nin kurulu\u015f \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131n\u0131n \u00f6nemli bir b\u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fc derne\u011fimizde ger\u00e7ekle\u015fti. Yazd\u0131\u011f\u0131m ve yay\u0131nlad\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z \u201cG\u00f6nen-Manyas \u00c7erkes S\u00fcrg\u00fcn\u00fc\u201d kitab\u0131m\u0131z da Maltepe \u00c7erkes Derne\u011fi\u2019nin bir par\u00e7as\u0131d\u0131r. Konferanslar, imza g\u00fcnleri ve toplumsal bilincin y\u00fckseltilmesi derne\u011fimizin \u00f6ncelikleri aras\u0131ndad\u0131r.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Maks\u0131me K\u00fclt\u00fcr Merkezi ne zaman kuruldu? Hangi ihtiya\u00e7tan do\u011fdu? Hangi alanlarda faaliyet y\u00fcr\u00fct\u00fcyor? K\u0131saca bilgi verir misiniz?<\/p>\n Murat \u00d6zden<\/strong>: D\u00fcnyan\u0131n ya\u015fad\u0131\u011f\u0131 uzun pandemi d\u00f6nemi sosyal hayat\u0131 s\u0131f\u0131rlam\u0131\u015f, insanlar\u0131n al\u0131\u015fkanl\u0131klar\u0131n\u0131 de\u011fi\u015ftirmi\u015fti. Bu yeni d\u00f6nemde art\u0131k dernek\u00e7ilik faaliyetlerinin ge\u00e7mi\u015fte oldu\u011fu gibi m\u00fcmk\u00fcn olmayaca\u011f\u0131 tespitini yapmam\u0131za neden olmu\u015ftu. Onun i\u00e7in s\u00fcre\u00e7 bize yeni \u015feyler s\u00f6ylememiz ve yapmam\u0131z gere\u011fini dayat\u0131yordu. Kaybolmakta olan ve sadece baz\u0131 k\u00f6y d\u00fc\u011f\u00fcnlerinde ya\u015fl\u0131lar\u0131n yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131, Nart Destanlar\u0131nda da, ad\u0131 ge\u00e7en maks\u0131meyi ticar\u00ee bir \u00fcr\u00fcn haline getirerek yok olmaktan kurtarmam\u0131z gerekti\u011fi d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcncesine ula\u015ft\u0131k. Bununla ilgili marka tescil i\u015flemini yapabilmek i\u00e7in,\u201dMaks\u0131me Turistik Tesis \u0130\u015fletmecili\u011fi ve Prod\u00fcksiyon ltd \u015eirketi\u201dni kurduk. Maks\u0131me K\u00fclt\u00fcr Merkezini, Maltepe \u00c7erkes Derne\u011fi\u2019nin kirac\u0131s\u0131 olarak Maks\u0131me limited \u015eirketi CAFE- Restaurant olarak i\u015fletiyor. D\u00fcnyan\u0131n hi\u00e7bir yerinde maks\u0131me i\u00e7erek, \u00c7erkes yemeklerini yiyerek ve \u00c7erkesce canl\u0131 \u015fark\u0131lar dinleyece\u011finiz ikinci bir mek\u00e2n bulamazs\u0131n\u0131z.\u00a02022\u2019nin Ocak ay\u0131nda olu\u015fturdu\u011fumuz Maks\u0131me K\u00fclt\u00fcr Merkezi\u2019nin sahnesi s\u00f6yleyecek s\u00f6z\u00fc olan, sesi olan, bestesi olan, derlemesi olan herkese a\u00e7\u0131k. Sonbaharda olu\u015fturmay\u0131 planlad\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z \u201cDiaspora \u00c7erkes M\u00fczik Akademisi\u201d yeni bestelerin ve alb\u00fcmlerin ortaya \u00e7\u0131kmas\u0131na \u00f6nc\u00fcl\u00fck edece\u011fine inan\u0131yoruz.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: \u015eimdi de bize maks\u0131me hakk\u0131nda bilgi verir misiniz? Siz maks\u0131meye \u00c7erkes bozas\u0131 diyorsunuz. Baz\u0131 dostlar buna itiraz ediyor. Bu durumu nas\u0131l de\u011ferlendiriyorsunuz?<\/p>\n Murat \u00d6zden<\/strong>: Co\u011frafya nas\u0131l kaderse, Co\u011frafya\u2019n\u0131n \u00fcretti\u011fi \u00fcr\u00fcnlerle ya\u015famak da insan\u0131n kaderidir. Maks\u0131me Kafkasya Co\u011frafyas\u0131na uygun bir i\u00e7ecektir. Dar\u0131, m\u0131s\u0131r unu ve balla yap\u0131l\u0131rd\u0131. Biz m\u0131s\u0131r unu, toz \u015feker ve su ile uzun ve zahmetli bir kaynatma sonucunda ve s\u00fcrekli kar\u0131\u015ft\u0131rarak, m\u0131s\u0131r ununu ni\u015fastaya d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015ft\u00fcr\u00fcyoruz. Kar\u0131\u015ft\u0131rmazsan\u0131z \u00e7\u00f6ken m\u0131s\u0131r unu yanar. Maks\u0131me so\u011fuduktan sonra i\u00e7ti\u011finizde boza tad\u0131nda ve k\u0131vam\u0131ndad\u0131r. Mayalama yap\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131 i\u00e7in, bir hafta sonra hafif bir ek\u015fime ve alkollenme olur. Bu anlamda maks\u0131me hem \u00c7erkes Bozas\u0131, hem de bir i\u00e7ecektir<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Boza hakk\u0131nda \u00e7ok \u00f6nceden bir makale yazd\u0131\u011f\u0131m i\u00e7in ara\u015ft\u0131rmalar\u0131mdan biliyorum; bir\u00e7ok halk bozay\u0131 payla\u015fam\u0131yor. Biri \u201cBizim!\u201d; di\u011feri \u201cHay\u0131r, bizim!\u201d diyor. Maks\u0131mede de b\u00f6yle bir payla\u015famama durumu var m\u0131? Maks\u0131me yaln\u0131zca \u00c7erkeslerin i\u00e7ece\u011fi mi? Kuzey Kafkasyal\u0131 veya Kafkasyal\u0131 ba\u015fka halklar da maks\u0131menin kendilerinin i\u00e7ece\u011fi oldu\u011funu s\u00f6yl\u00fcyor mu? Maks\u0131me, \u00a0Tatar bozas\u0131ndan farkl\u0131 m\u0131? \u00a0Bu konulara siz nas\u0131l yakla\u015f\u0131yorsunuz?<\/p>\n Murat \u00d6zden<\/strong>: Boza Kafkas ve Balkan Co\u011frafyalar\u0131n\u0131n ortak i\u00e7ece\u011fidir diyebiliriz. O y\u00fczden biz bir payla\u015famama kavgas\u0131nda de\u011filiz. Ancak bozan\u0131n uzun s\u00fcre bekletilerek bir i\u00e7ece\u011fe d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015ft\u00fcr\u00fclmesi gelene\u011finin sadece \u00c7erkeslerde oldu\u011funu d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum. \u00c7erkes s\u00f6zl\u00fc edebiyat\u0131n\u0131n en \u00f6nemli \u00f6rneklerinden biri olan xoxu gelene\u011fi, yani maks\u0131me boynuz i\u00e7erisinde konuklara ikram edilirdi ve bu rit\u00fcel esnas\u0131nda inan\u0131lmaz g\u00fczel \u00c7erkesce konu\u015fmalar ve iyi dilekler dile getirilirdi. Bu gelene\u011fin canland\u0131r\u0131lmas\u0131 i\u00e7inde \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar yap\u0131yoruz.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Maks\u0131medeki alkol oran\u0131 nedir? Maks\u0131me de boza gibi bekletildik\u00e7e alkol oran\u0131 art\u0131yor mu?<\/p>\n Murat \u00d6zden<\/strong>: Maks\u0131medeki alkol oran\u0131 % 5-6 gibidir. Bekleme s\u00fcresi uzad\u0131k\u00e7a bu oran\u0131n artt\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 biliyoruz.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Maks\u0131me nas\u0131l yap\u0131l\u0131yor? Kar\u0131\u015f\u0131mlar\u0131 nedir? Hammaddesi nedir?<\/p>\n Murat \u00d6zden<\/strong>: Maks\u0131menin hammaddesi m\u0131s\u0131r unu, toz \u015feker, maya ve sudur. Atalar\u0131m\u0131z bal ile yap\u0131yorlard\u0131. Maks\u0131me\u00a0m\u0131s\u0131r unu, \u015feker ve suyun uzun ve zahmetli bir kaynatma ve kar\u0131\u015ft\u0131rma s\u00fcreci ile bozaya d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015ft\u00fcr\u00fclmesidir. Yine uzun s\u00fcre mayalanm\u0131\u015f olarak bekleterek farkl\u0131 bir i\u00e7ece\u011fe d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015ft\u00fcr\u00fcyoruz.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Bilebildi\u011fim kadar\u0131yla siz seri \u00fcretim yap\u0131yorsunuz? Bir at\u00f6lye mi olu\u015fturdunuz? Payla\u015f\u0131mlar\u0131n\u0131zdan g\u00f6rebildi\u011fim kadar\u0131yla standart \u015fi\u015fe ve bardaklar\u0131n\u0131z var. Mek\u00e2n\u0131n\u0131z d\u0131\u015f\u0131nda maks\u0131me pazarlamas\u0131 da yap\u0131yor musunuz?<\/p>\n Murat \u00d6zden<\/strong>: Maltepe \u00c7erkes Derne\u011fi, \u00fc\u00e7 katl\u0131 bir kompleks. Birinci kat\u0131 Maks\u0131me K\u00fclt\u00fcr Cafe olarak faaliyet g\u00f6steriyor. \u0130kinci kat\u0131 dernek ve vak\u0131f, \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcnc\u00fc kat\u0131m\u0131zda maks\u0131me imalathanemiz olarak faaliyetini s\u00fcrd\u00fcr\u00fcyor.\u00a0Marka tescil i\u015fleminden sonra \u00fcretim iznini de alaca\u011f\u0131z. \u015eimdilik dostlara kargo ile g\u00f6nderiyoruz ve Maks\u0131me K\u00fclt\u00fcr Merkezinde ikram ediyoruz.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Bu konuda bir ara\u015ft\u0131rma yapmad\u0131m; \u00e7ok ayr\u0131nt\u0131l\u0131 da bilemiyorum ancak maks\u0131menin Kafkasya\u2019da da yap\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 biliyorum. Sizin maks\u0131menizin oradaki maks\u0131meden fark\u0131 var m\u0131? Alkol oran\u0131 bak\u0131m\u0131ndan soruyorum.<\/p>\n Murat \u00d6zden<\/strong>: Tabi maks\u0131meyi d\u00fcnyada bizden ba\u015fka ticari olarak \u00fcreten bir ba\u015fka kurulu\u015f yok. Dolay\u0131s\u0131yla bir standard\u0131 da yok.\u00a0Zannediyorum maks\u0131menin d\u00fcnyadaki standartlar\u0131n\u0131 biz belirleyece\u011fiz.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Nart Destanlar\u0131ndan maks\u0131meyi biliyorum. Maks\u0131menin i\u00e7eri\u011fi ve yap\u0131m\u0131 M\u00fcsl\u00fcmanla\u015fman\u0131n etkisiyle Kafkasya\u2019da ve \u00fcretildi\u011fi di\u011fer yerlerde de\u011fi\u015fime u\u011fram\u0131\u015f m\u0131? \u00c7ok eskiden bje (boynuz) ile i\u00e7ildi\u011fini duymu\u015ftum; \u015fimdi bardakta i\u00e7iliyor. \u00a0Bu gelenek ne oranda nerelerde devam ediyor?<\/p>\n Murat \u00d6zden<\/strong>: Maks\u0131me gelene\u011fi Kabardeyler hari\u00e7 neredeyse b\u00fct\u00fcn \u00c7erkeslerde M\u00fcsl\u00fcmanl\u0131\u011f\u0131n etkisiyle terk edilmi\u015f gibi g\u00f6r\u00fcn\u00fcyor. Ancak \u015f\u00f6te (boza) gelene\u011fi d\u00fc\u011f\u00fcnlerde di\u011fer \u00c7erkes kabilelerinde yak\u0131n zamana kadar devam ediyordu.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Maks\u0131me i\u00e7menin sa\u011fl\u0131\u011fa pek paydal\u0131 oldu\u011funu da bir yerlerde okumu\u015ftum. Verem hastal\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131n tedavisine iyi geldi\u011fini de okumu\u015ftum; cildi besliyormu\u015f, kan\u0131 temizliyormu\u015f. Ger\u00e7ekten de \u00f6yle mi?<\/p>\n Murat \u00d6zden<\/strong>: Maks\u0131me i\u00e7eri\u011fi nedeniyle y\u00fcksek bir enerji i\u00e7ece\u011fidir. \u00d6zellikle so\u011fuk ve karl\u0131 havalarda uzun atl\u0131 yolculu\u011fa \u00e7\u0131kacaklar, so\u011fu\u011fa kar\u015f\u0131 korunmak i\u00e7in maks\u0131me i\u00e7erek yola \u00e7\u0131karlard\u0131. Ba\u011f\u0131rsaklar\u0131 \u00e7al\u0131\u015ft\u0131rma, v\u00fccut direncini artt\u0131rma gibi \u00f6zelli\u011fi olmas\u0131 verem gibi hastal\u0131klara kar\u015f\u0131 kullan\u0131lmas\u0131n\u0131 beraberinde getirmi\u015ftir. Ayr\u0131ca ruhi bunal\u0131m\u0131 olan hastalar\u0131 da ferahlatma anlam\u0131nda kullan\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131nda bilinmektedir<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Zaman ay\u0131rd\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z i\u00e7in te\u015fekk\u00fcr ederim. Verdi\u011finiz bilgiler i\u00e7in te\u015fekk\u00fcr ederim. Belki bu s\u00f6yle\u015fimizden sonra, maks\u0131me i\u00e7mek isteyenler veya Maltepe d\u0131\u015f\u0131ndan sipari\u015f vermek isteyenler olabilir. Size nas\u0131l ula\u015fabilirler. Sizin \u00fcretiminiz maks\u0131me TSE\u2019den tescilli mi?<\/p>\n Murat \u00d6zden<\/strong>: Bu r\u00f6portaj i\u00e7in ben \u00e7ok te\u015fekk\u00fcr ediyorum. Sipari\u015f i\u00e7in 0532 425 08 91 no\u2019lu telefondan arayabilirler.<\/p>\n +<\/p>\n (\u00d6nerilen okumalar: <\/strong>Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz, \u201cDirilen \u015eark\u0131lar\/ K\u0306enexajige Voredxer\u201d, 20 II 2020, sonhaber.ch; Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz, \u201c\u00dc\u00e7\u00fcnc\u00fc S\u00fcrg\u00fcn\/ G\u00f6nen- Manyas \u00c7erkes S\u00fcrg\u00fcn\u00fc\u201d, 4 XI 2020, sonhaber.ch; \u00a0 Murat \u00d6zden, \u201cUlusal Sorun ve \u00c7erkeslerin Konumu\u201d, Kendi Yay\u0131n\u0131, \u0130stanbul, 1979; \u201cMurat \u00d6zden ile Dirilen \u015eark\u0131lar\u201d, 11 VII 2015, ajanskafkas.com; Murat \u00d6zden, \u201c\u00c7erkes Siyasalla\u015fmas\u0131n\u0131n \u00d6nc\u00fcleri\u201d, Apra Yay\u0131nc\u0131l\u0131k, \u0130stanbul, 2018; Murat \u00d6zden, \u201c\u00dc\u00e7\u00fcnc\u00fc S\u00fcrg\u00fcn\/ G\u00f6nen- Manyas \u00c7erkes S\u00fcrg\u00fcn\u00fc, 21 Yay\u0131nlar\u0131, \u0130stanbul, 2020; Murat \u00d6zden: \u201cAsimilasyonu M\u0131s\u0131r\u2019daki Sa\u011f\u0131r Sultan da biliyor!\u201d, 17 XII 2021, sonhaber.ch)<\/p>\n \u00a0+<\/strong><\/p>\n Ali İhsan Aksamaz (Ön açıklama: Bugünkü misafirim Murat Özden. Murat Özden, daha önce de burada misafirim olmuştu; bizlere asimilasyon konusundaki değerlendirmelerini aktarmıştı. Öncelikle belirtmeliyim; Murat Özden, benim bilebildiğim kadarıyla, hep ilklerin öncüsü olmuş bir aydın. “Ulusal Sorun ve Çerkeslerin Konumu” adlı çalışması 1979 yılında yayınlanmış. Bu, Murat Özden’in ilk ilkiymiş. 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