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Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong><\/p>\n [\u00d6n a\u00e7\u0131klama<\/strong>: Yazar Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan, bana telefon edip \u201cBenimle bir s\u00f6yle\u015fi yap da, bizim k\u00fclt\u00fcrel meselelerden bir g\u00fczelce konu\u015fay\u0131m,\u201d dedi. Do\u011frusunu isterseniz, ben de uzun zamandan beri kendisiyle \u015fa\u015f\u0131rt\u0131c\u0131 tezlerine ili\u015fkin konu\u015fmak istiyordum. B\u00f6ylece ben s\u00f6yledim, o dinledi. Ben sordum, o cevaplad\u0131. O s\u00f6yledi, ben dinledim. Sonunda da bu T\u00fcrk\u00e7e s\u00f6yle\u015fi ortaya \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131. Yazar Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan ile tarih tezlerine, Laz diline, \u0130skender Tzita\u015fi\u2019ye, Laz alfabelerine, T\u00fcrkiye\u2019deki Laz ayd\u0131nlar\u0131n\u0131n k\u00fclt\u00fcrel faaliyetlerine ve yeni bir dernek kurma \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131na ili\u015fkin T\u00fcrk\u00e7e bir s\u00f6yle\u015fi yapt\u0131k. T\u00fcrk\u00e7e s\u00f6yle\u015fiden k\u0131sa zaman sonra, yazar Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan\u2019a Lazca sorular da g\u00f6nderdim. Yazar Y\u0131lmaz\u00a0Erdo\u011fan, \u201cBen hi\u00e7 duyulmam\u0131\u015f Lazca kelimeler kullanmadan yapamam; \u00f6yle al\u0131\u015f\u0131\u011f\u0131m.\u00a0Duyulmam\u0131\u015f Lazca kelimeler kulland\u0131\u011f\u0131mda da, \u00f6yle herkes anlayamaz. Kimse anlayamad\u0131\u011f\u0131nda da polemik \u00e7\u0131kar. Polemik \u00e7\u0131k\u0131nca da benim tansiyonum \u00e7\u0131kar; ben de bunu istemiyorum. Onun i\u00e7in de sana Lazca cevap vermeyece\u011fim,\u201d dedi.\u00a0\u00a029 II 2024, Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz]<\/p>\n [Go\u0292\u0306otkvala<\/strong>: M\u00e7\u0306aru Yilmaz Erdo\u011fanik t\u0306ilifoni mo\u011fodu do \u201cHele, \u00e7kimi k\u0306ala ar int\u0306erviu doqvi do \u00e7kineburi k\u0306ult\u0306uruli meselepe\u015fen k\u0306o\u00e7epes mskva\u015fa ambai mep\u00e7a!\u201d-ya mi\u0292\u0306u. Mtini gi\u0292\u0306vatna, mati dido gin\u017ee ora\u015fen doni, mu\u015fi gok\u0306vironi tezepe\u015fen mu\u015fi k\u0306ala o\u011far\u011falu mint\u0306u.\u00a0\u00a0E\u015fopeten ma dovu\u0292\u0306vi, emuk memisiminu. Ma emus p\u0306k\u0306itxi do emuk man nena gemiktiru.\u00a0\u00a0Emuk mi\u0292\u0306u do mati emus mevusimini. \u00c7odinapasti Turkuli int\u0306erviu a\u015fopeten ye\u00e7kindu.\u00a0\u00a0Turkuli int\u0306erviu\u015fen mk\u0306ule ora\u015fk\u0306ule,\u00a0\u00a0m\u00e7\u0306aru\u00a0Yilmaz Erdo\u011fani k\u0306ala mu\u015fi tarixuri tezepe\u015fen, Lazuri\u00a0Nena\u015fen, \u0130skender \u0292\u0306ita\u015fi\u015fen, Lazuri albonepe\u015fen, Turkiye\u015fi Lazi gamantanerepe\u015fi k\u0306ult\u0306uruli faaliyetepe\u015fen do mu\u015fi a\u011fani derne\u011fi\u015fi dodgu\u015fi no\u00e7ali\u015fe\u015fen Lazuri int\u0306erviu oxvenuti mint\u0306u.\u00a0Mk\u0306ule ora\u015fk\u0306ule m\u00e7\u0306aru Yilmaz Erdo\u011fanis Lazuri k\u0306itxalapeti mevunc\u011foni.\u00a0\u00a0\u201cMa \u00e7kar\u00a0u\u015fegnapu\u00a0Lazuri zit\u0306ape va vixmara\u015fi, va maxvenen; e\u015fos gegaperi vore.\u00a0U\u015fegnapu Lazuri\u00a0zit\u0306ape vixmara\u015fiti, e\u015fo iristi va oxva\u0292\u0306onen. Mitis va oxva\u0292\u0306ona\u015fiti\u00a0p\u0306olemik\u0306a ye\u00e7kindun.\u00a0P\u0306olemik\u0306a ye\u00e7kinda\u015fiti t\u0306ansiyoni komoman\u017einen; mati aya va minon. Emu\u015feniti\u00a0\u00a0nena va gegiktirare,\u201d-ya mi\u0292\u0306u m\u00e7\u0306aru Yilmaz Erdo\u011fanik.\u00a0Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi]<\/p>\n +<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Facebook sayfan\u0131zdan biliyorum. Laz tarihine ili\u015fkin bir kitab\u0131n\u0131z var: \u201cG\u00fcne\u015fin \u00c7ocuklar\u0131: Lazlar\u201d. Kitab\u0131n\u0131za neden bu ad\u0131 koydunuz? Lazlar\u0131n M\u00fcsl\u00fcmanl\u0131k ve H\u0131ristiyanl\u0131k \u00f6ncesi \u201cPaganl\u0131k\u201d veya \u201c\u015eamanl\u0131k\u201d d\u00f6nemlerini mi g\u00f6stermek istiyorsunuz?<\/p>\n [Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi<\/strong>: Tkvani \u201cFacebook\u201d-i\u015fi sayfa\u015fen komi\u00e7kin. Lazepe\u015fi tarixi\u015fen ar ketabi kogi\u011funan: \u201cMjora\u015fi Berepe: Lazepe\u201d.\u00a0\u00a0Ketabi tkvanis mu\u015feni am coxo gyodvit? Lazepe\u015fi Muslimanoba do Xrist\u0306iyanoba\u015fen \u0292\u0306oxleni \u201cP\u0306aganoba\u201d varna \u201c\u015eamanoba\u201d-\u015fi orapeti o\u0292\u0306iru ginonani? ]<\/p>\n Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan<\/strong>: \u201cG\u00fcne\u015fin \u00c7ocuklar\u0131: Lazlar\u201d ad\u0131n\u0131 \u00f6zellikle se\u00e7tim. Bu ad\u0131 se\u00e7erken; Kolkhis Kral\u0131 Ayet\u2019in; G\u00fcne\u015f Tanr\u0131 Helios\u2019un o\u011flu olmas\u0131 ve \u015fimdilerde ba\u015fkalar\u0131 taraf\u0131ndan kullan\u0131lan G\u00fcne\u015f Kursumuza da g\u00f6nderme yapmay\u0131 ama\u00e7lad\u0131m. Ama\u00e7lar\u0131m\u0131n i\u00e7inde Hristiyanl\u0131k-M\u00fcsl\u00fcmanl\u0131k-Yahudilik gibi ne dinsel ne Paganist d\u00f6neme g\u00f6nderme yapmak diye bir olgudan s\u00f6z etmek olanaks\u0131z. Zaten karakter olarak bu t\u00fcr yakla\u015f\u0131mlardan da hi\u00e7 ho\u015flanmam. Bu kitab\u0131 haz\u0131rlarken 11 bin sayfay\u0131 a\u015fk\u0131n tuttu\u011fum \u00f6zel ar\u015fivimden ald\u0131\u011f\u0131m bilgileri esas kayna\u011f\u0131na, sahibine izafe ederek; Tarih-Uygarl\u0131klar konusunda yap\u0131lan \u00e7arp\u0131t\u0131lm\u0131\u015f gasp\u00e7\u0131 Bat\u0131 yakla\u015f\u0131m\u0131n\u0131n yanl\u0131\u015flar\u0131n\u0131 s\u00f6z konusu etmek i\u00e7in hareketlendim. \u015eimdi d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcn; benim ad\u0131m Y\u0131lmaz. Tutup da sen bana Abd\u00fclcabbar veya bilmem ne Gaffar diyemezsin. Oysa Bat\u0131l\u0131 Tarih\u00e7iler aynen b\u00f6yle yapm\u0131\u015f. Tarihi ad\u0131m ad\u0131m yapan uygarl\u0131k yolcular\u0131 Lazlar ve Kolkhis Kafkasya\u2019s\u0131nda Lazla\u015fm\u0131\u015f \u00d6n T\u00fcrklerden hatta Laz S\u00fcmerlerden bile alarak; Grek- Helen-Yunan aidiyetinde b\u0131rakm\u0131\u015f. Bunu yaparken de o Grek-Helenlerin atalar\u0131n\u0131n Pelasg- Pelaz Lazlar\u0131 oldu\u011funu yok sayarak hem de.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Kitab\u0131n\u0131z hen\u00fcz yay\u0131nlanmad\u0131. Fakat zaman zaman kitab\u0131n\u0131zdan baz\u0131 b\u00f6l\u00fcmleri facebook sayfan\u0131zda yay\u0131nl\u0131yorsunuz. Kitab\u0131n\u0131z\u0131 tamamen ne zaman yay\u0131nlayacaks\u0131n\u0131z? \u015eimdiye kadar yay\u0131nlad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z makalelerinizden g\u00f6rd\u00fc\u011f\u00fcm kadar\u0131yla s\u00f6yl\u00fcyorum; kitab\u0131n\u0131zda verdi\u011finiz bilgiler \u00e7ok \u015fa\u015f\u0131rt\u0131c\u0131. Ancak kaynaklar\u0131n\u0131z\u0131n adlar\u0131n\u0131 ni\u00e7in hi\u00e7 vermiyorsunuz?<\/p>\n [Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi<\/strong>: Ketabi tkvani a\u0292\u0306i\u015fakis va gami\u00e7kvinu, va gamaxtu.\u00a0\u00a0Mara oradoora ketabi tkvani\u015fen namtini no\u0292\u0306ilepe \u201cfacebook\u201d-i\u015fi sayfa tkvanis \u00e7\u0306it\u0306a \u00e7\u0306it\u0306a gamo\u00e7kumert.\u00a0\u00a0Ketabi tkvani ti\u015fen k\u0306udeli\u015fa mtelixe\u015fa mundes gamo\u00e7kvaten? A\u0292\u0306i\u015fakis nagamo\u00e7kvit mak\u0306alepe tkvani\u015fen nama\u017eiru k\u0306onariten gi\u0292\u0306umert: Ketabi tkvaniten name\u00e7apt\u00a0\u00a0ambaepe dido gok\u0306vironi ren. Mara referansepe tkvani\u015fi coxope mu\u015feni \u00e7kar va mom\u00e7apt? ]<\/p>\n Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan<\/strong>: Kitab\u0131m hen\u00fcz bitmedi. Onca geni\u015f bir ar\u015fivden s\u00fczerek bilgiler verecek \u00e7ok\u00e7a 1000 sayfa k\u0131stas\u0131 i\u00e7inde kalacak b\u00f6yle bir kitab\u0131 \u00e7ok geni\u015f ar\u015fiv bilgilerinden ay\u0131klayarak haz\u0131rlamak kolay de\u011fil. Onun i\u00e7in bir plan geli\u015ftirerek herkesin kolayca eri\u015febilece\u011fi M.\u00d6. 800\u2019lerden Urartu tarihinden bir belge ile ba\u015flatt\u0131klar\u0131 yanl\u0131\u015f Laz Tarihini \u00e7ok \u00e7ok gerilere \u00e7ekerek birinci kitab\u0131 tamamlamak istiyorum. Lazlar\u0131n ge\u00e7mi\u015fini M.\u00d6. 800\u2019 lerden ba\u015flatan kolayc\u0131lar\u0131n cahilli\u011fi beni hep g\u00fcld\u00fcrm\u00fc\u015ft\u00fcr. O da, bir dilin en az 4500- 6000 y\u0131l i\u00e7inde olu\u015fabilece\u011fi ger\u00e7e\u011fidir. Bundan bile habersizlerin internet ortam\u0131nda Lazlara Tarih vermeleri bana g\u00fcl\u00fcn\u00e7 geliyor. Belge yay\u0131nlamaya s\u0131ra gelince; yakla\u015f\u0131k 1650 kitap ve belge kitab\u0131n ekinde zaten olacak. Kald\u0131 ki bir\u00e7ok b\u00f6l\u00fcmde, paragraf aralar\u0131nda zaten o belgelerin ad\u0131n\u0131 veriyorum. Ayr\u0131ca belgeleri s\u0131ralayarak, yanl\u0131\u015fa al\u0131\u015fk\u0131n birilerinin \u201cben yapt\u0131m oldu\u201d haz\u0131rc\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131na malzeme vererek; onlar\u0131n tekrar Laz Tarihi ve Uygarl\u0131\u011f\u0131 konular\u0131nda sa\u00e7malamalar\u0131na tan\u0131k olmak istemiyorum. Bu s\u00f6zlerim bir ego veya kibir ifadesi de\u011fil; Laz olman\u0131n ta kendisidir. Ben hakk\u0131m\u0131 ar\u0131yorum. Kimseden hak dilenmiyorum. Bir avu\u00e7 G\u00fcrc\u00fc Fanati\u011fin (G\u00fcrc\u00fc karde\u015flerimi tenzih ederim), d\u00fcnya \u00fczerinde hi\u00e7 gitmedikleri b\u00f6lgelere gitmi\u015f olduklar\u0131n\u0131 kan\u0131tlamak i\u00e7in Lazlar\u0131 kullanmas\u0131 ve \u201cHa Lazlar, ha biz. Lazlar de\u011fil mi ki bizim soyumuzdur!\u201d \u015feklindeki ak\u0131ll\u0131 \u00e7atlatan sallamalar\u0131 beni rahats\u0131z ediyor. Senin, benim ve bizden \u00f6te sadece \u00fc\u00e7 arkada\u015f\u0131m\u0131z\u0131n i\u00e7inde oldu\u011fu Ogni Milad\u0131n\u0131, biz Tandilava\u2019n\u0131n \u201cLazlar\u2019\u0131n Tarihi\u201d adl\u0131 kitab\u0131na tepki olarak ger\u00e7ekle\u015ftirmedik mi? Ger\u00e7ekle\u015ftirdik. Bu konular\u0131 daha \u00f6nce konu\u015ftu\u011fumuz i\u00e7in s\u00f6z\u00fcm\u00fc uzatmak istemiyorum. Kitab\u0131mdaki bilgileri \u015fa\u015f\u0131rt\u0131c\u0131 bulman\u0131z \u00e7ok do\u011fal. Laz S\u00fcmer Tabletlerinde; M.\u00d6. 432 bin y\u0131ldan ba\u015flayan bir anlat\u0131 s\u0131ras\u0131 var. Ve ben sadece Laz S\u00fcmer Tablet veya yaz\u0131lar\u0131na bakmadan, onlar\u0131n da sa\u011flamas\u0131n\u0131 yaparak anlat\u0131mlar\u0131m\u0131 tek tek belgelemek ve belgeleri de \u00f6rne\u011fin sonu\u00e7lar\u0131 yads\u0131namaz uluslararas\u0131 bir DNA laboratuar\u0131ndan ald\u0131\u011f\u0131m sonu\u00e7larla birlikte veriyorum. Kitab\u0131mda bu bilgiler hep var, belgeleriyle. \u015eimdi sen dahil; Nibiru\u2019dan gelenlerin (Nibiru Lazca \u201cD\u0131\u015far\u0131dan gazel okuyan\u201d anlam\u0131na gelir ve Nibiru Gezegeninin g\u00fcne\u015f sistemimize kurals\u0131z girmesi de hep kaos do\u011furmu\u015ftur.) yani Su ve Yer ile Bilgeli\u011fin Tanr\u0131s\u0131 Enki\u2019ye Lazuta dendi\u011fini biliyor muydun? Sanmam! Yine Yeralt\u0131 Tanr\u0131s\u0131 Ere\u015fkigal (Hekate. Prensesimiz Medean\u0131n annesi, G\u00fcne\u015fin o\u011flu Ayet\u2019in e\u015fi) Laz olarak adland\u0131r\u0131lm\u0131\u015fsa, bu herkes i\u00e7in ilgin\u00e7 de\u011fil mi? Bu tan\u0131mlar bizi \u00e7ok \u00e7ok gerilere g\u00f6t\u00fcrmez mi? G\u00f6t\u00fcr\u00fcr. Anunakilerin Dilmun\/ Tilmun ad\u0131n\u0131 verdikleri Cennet e\u011fer B\u00fcy\u00fck ve K\u00fc\u00e7\u00fck Kafkas Da\u011flar\u0131 aras\u0131ndaki geni\u015f vadiye binlerce y\u0131ld\u0131r isim olduysa, bunun bir anlam\u0131 yok mu? Bunlar \u015fa\u015f\u0131rt\u0131c\u0131 de\u011fil, saklanan bilgiler.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: \u00d6nceden de dedi\u011fim gibi, Facebook sayfan\u0131zdan g\u00f6r\u00fcp okuyorum. Yay\u0131nlanm\u0131\u015f makalelerinizle bizlere Laz Tarihine ili\u015fkin ilgin\u00e7 ve \u015fa\u015f\u0131rt\u0131c\u0131 bilgiler veriyorsunuz. \u015eimdiye kadar hi\u00e7 duyulmam\u0131\u015f, \u015fimdiye kadar hi\u00e7 yaz\u0131lmam\u0131\u015f bilgileri bize veriyorsunuz. Tezlerinizi dikkatle okuyorum. Yaln\u0131zca Lazlar\u0131n tarihine ili\u015fkin de\u011fil, b\u00fct\u00fcn eski d\u00fcnya tarihine ili\u015fkin de yeni bilgiler veriyorsunuz. Yeni bir Tarih tezi yaratmaya \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yorsunuz; \u00f6yle g\u00f6z\u00fck\u00fcyor. Bu ilgin\u00e7 ve \u015fa\u015f\u0131rt\u0131c\u0131 tarih tezlerinize ili\u015fkin bize neler s\u00f6ylemek istiyorsunuz?<\/p>\n [Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi<\/strong>: \u0292\u0306oxle\u015fenti nagi\u0292\u0306vit teri, \u201cFacebook\u201d-i\u015fi sayfa tkvanis udodginu kob\u017eirop do mskva\u015fa vik\u0306itxup. Gamo\u00e7kvineri mak\u0306alepe tkvaniten,\u00a0\u00a0Lazepe\u015fi tarixi\u015fen on\u00e7\u0306eloni do gok\u0306vironi ambaepe mom\u00e7apt. Tkvan a\u0292\u0306i\u015fakis u\u015fegnapu do a\u0292\u0306i\u015fakis u\u00e7\u0306aru ambaepe mom\u00e7apt. Tkvani tarixi\u015fi tezepe ti\u015fen k\u0306udeli\u015fa m\u00e7\u0306ipa\u015fa\u015fi ar vardo ar-jur fara \u011fnoserixe\u015fa vik\u0306itxup. Xvala Lazepe\u015fi tarixi\u015fen var, mtel mcve\u015fi dunya\u015fi tarixi\u015fenti on\u00e7\u0306eloni do gok\u0306vironi ambaepe mom\u00e7apt. A\u011fani Tarixi\u015fi tezi oxvenu \u015feni i\u00e7ali\u015fept; e\u015fo momixteps. Am on\u00e7\u0306eloni do gok\u0306vironi tarixi\u015fi tezepe tkvani\u015fen muepe mi\u0292\u0306vaten?]<\/p>\n Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan<\/strong>: Bir daha yineleyeyim; ak\u0131l ve mant\u0131k \u00e7izgisinde kimseye kar\u015f\u0131 de\u011filim. Salt haks\u0131zl\u0131klardan ho\u015flanmam. \u015eimdi bizim Lazlar; Mitra Dininin eski d\u00f6nemlerde kendileri i\u00e7in ne kadar \u00f6nemli oldu\u011funu bilmesin diyemem. O Mitra Dininin t\u00fcm Avrupa\u2019y\u0131 nas\u0131l etkiledi\u011fini yok sayamam. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc Lazlar\u0131n Avrupa\u2019da \u00e7ok \u00f6nemli olmalar\u0131 \u00f6nce Mitra,\u00a0\u00a0ondan \u00f6nce de Tanr\u0131\u00e7a Laz Ana Kybele -Didinana- Lato- Cybel- Kuvava- Kubaba- Lad- Lat- Ellad- \u0130llad: Laz adlar\u0131yla bilinen kendilerine Laz ad\u0131n\u0131 veren Tanr\u0131\u00e7alar\u0131na bor\u00e7ludur. Burada tez \u00f6ne s\u00fcrm\u00fcyorum. Bilgi payla\u015f\u0131yor ve belgeliyorum. Gerisi Laz ve T\u00fcrklerden bu bilgileri gasp eden bilim insanlar\u0131n\u0131n i\u015fi.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Lazlar, Megreller, G\u00fcrc\u00fcler, Abhazlar, Svanlar gibi bug\u00fcnk\u00fc az n\u00fcfuslu halklar\u0131n tarihleri b\u00fcy\u00fck \u00f6l\u00e7\u00fcde imparatorluklar\u0131n tarihleri i\u00e7inde sakl\u0131d\u0131r. Bug\u00fcnk\u00fc az n\u00fcfuslu halklar\u0131n tarihleri \u00e7o\u011funlukla Roma- Bizans, Sasani, T\u00fcrk- Osmanl\u0131 ve Rus imparatorluklar\u0131n\u0131n tarihleri i\u00e7inde sakl\u0131d\u0131r. Bu eski tarihten s\u00f6z ediyorum tabii. \u00d6nceden Kolkheti krall\u0131\u011f\u0131, Lazika krall\u0131\u011f\u0131 vard\u0131; Abhaz krall\u0131\u011f\u0131 vard\u0131; G\u00fcrc\u00fc krall\u0131klar\u0131 vard\u0131. Fakat o krall\u0131klar, o d\u00f6nemin imparatorluklar\u0131n\u0131n vasal krall\u0131klar\u0131yd\u0131. Kolkheti krall\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131n i\u00e7inde Lazlar\/ Megreller, Abhazlar, Svanlar ve di\u011ferleri de ya\u015f\u0131yordu. Ben b\u00f6yle biliyorum. Lazika Krall\u0131\u011f\u0131 i\u00e7inde Lazlar\/ Megreller, Abhazlar, Svanlar, \u201cG\u00fcrc\u00fcler\u201d de ya\u015f\u0131yordu. Ben b\u00f6yle biliyorum. Abhaz Krall\u0131\u011f\u0131 i\u00e7inde Lazlar\/ Megreller de, Abhazlar da, Svanlar da, \u201cG\u00fcrc\u00fcler\u201d de ya\u015f\u0131yordu. Ben b\u00f6yle biliyorum. 1000- 1500 sene \u00f6nceki o vasal krall\u0131klar\u0131n ekonomik- siyas\u00ee- egemenlik anlay\u0131\u015flar\u0131yla bug\u00fcnk\u00fc etnik durumu, ne de bug\u00fcn\u00fcn etnik anlay\u0131\u015fla 1000- 1500 sene \u00f6nceki o vasal krall\u0131klar\u0131n ekonomik- siyas\u00ee- egemenlik anlay\u0131\u015flar\u0131n\u0131 anlayabiliriz. B\u00fct\u00fcn bunlar\u0131 do\u011fru olarak bilmemiz ve tarihi de \u00f6yle anlamam\u0131z gerekiyor. Tarih \u00f6nemlidir ancak tarih yaln\u0131zca tarihtir. Sonra bin sene \u00f6nce kim kimdi, kim neredeydi, bunu ancak Tanr\u0131 bilebilir. Bin sene \u00f6nceki, iki bin sene, ne bileyim on bin sene \u00f6nceki tarih size neden l\u00e2z\u0131m?<\/p>\n [Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi:\u00a0<\/strong>And\u011faneri \u00e7\u0306it\u0306a nufusoni xalk\u0306epe\u015fi; Lazepe\u015fi, Mergelepe\u015fi, \u201cGurcepe\u015fi\u201d\/\u201dKortupe\u015fi\u201d, Apxazepe\u015fi, Svanepe\u015fi tarixepe didopeten \u015finaxeri ren imp\u0306eriape\u015fi tarixepe\u015fi doloxe. And\u011faneri \u00e7\u0306it\u0306a nufusoni xalk\u0306epe\u015fi tarixepe didopeten \u015finaxeri ren Roma-Bizansuri, Sasanuri, Turkul- Osmanluri do Rusuli imperiape\u015fi tarixepe\u015fi doloxe. Mceve\u015fi tarixi\u015fen gi\u0292\u0306umert, moro mu! Dido \u0292\u0306oxleni orapes, K\u0306olxeti\u015fi omape, kort\u0306u; Lazik\u0306a\u015fi omape kort\u0306u; Apxazeti\u015fi omape kort\u0306u; \u201cGurcepe\u015fi\u201d\/ \u201cKortuepe\u015fi\u201d omapepe kort\u0306es. Mara am omapepe rt\u0306es emidroneri imperiape\u015fi vasalepe. K\u0306olxeti\u015fi omape\u015fi sinorepe\u015fi doloxe Lazepe\/ Mergelepe, Apxazepe, Svanepe do majurape skidut\u0306es. Ma e\u015fo mi\u00e7kin. Lazik\u0306a\u015fi omape\u015fi sinorepe\u015fi doloxe Lazepe\/ Mergelepe, Apxazepe, Svanepe, \u201cGurcepe\u201d do majurapeti skidut\u0306es. Ayati e\u015fo mi\u00e7kin ma. Apxazeti\u015fi omape\u015fi sinorepe\u015fi doloxe Lazepe\/ Mergelepeti, Apxazepeti, Svanepeti, \u201cGurcepeti\u201d do majurapeti skidut\u0306es. Ma e\u015fo mi\u00e7kin. Varti Vit\u0306o\u015fi- vit\u0306o\u015fidoxut\u0306o\u015fi \u0292\u0306ana \u0292\u0306oxleni vasaluri omapepe\u015fi ek\u0306onomiur- p\u0306olit\u0306ik\u0306uri- hegemonoba\u015fi gagnapaten and\u011faneri etnik\u0306uri xalepe, varti and\u011faneri etnik\u0306uri gagnapaten vit\u0306o\u015fi- vit\u0306o\u015fidoxut\u0306o\u015fi \u0292\u0306ana \u0292\u0306oxleni vasaluri omapepe\u015fi ek\u0306onomiur- p\u0306olit\u0306ik\u0306uri- hegemonoba\u015fi oxoma\u0292\u0306onenan. Mara antepe mteli mtinixe\u015fa a\u015fo o\u00e7kinu do tarixi e\u015fo k\u0306aixe\u015fa oxo\u0292\u0306onu doma\u00e7\u0306irnan. Tarixi beciti ren mara tarixi xvala tarixi ren. E\u015fo gi\u0292\u0306vat, vit\u0306o\u015fi \u0292\u0306ana \u0292\u0306oxle mi mirt\u0306u do mi so rt\u0306u, aya xvala \u011eormotis a\u00e7kinen. Vit\u0306o\u015fi \u0292\u0306ana \u0292\u0306oxleni, mu mi\u00e7kin, vit\u0306vit\u0306o\u015fi \u0292\u0306ana \u0292\u0306oxleni tarixi dido beciti reni? Mu\u015feni? \u00c7kin and\u011faneri nd\u011fas va pskidurti? Vit\u0306o\u015fepeten \u0292\u0306anape\u015fi \u0292\u0306oxle\u015fen ye\u00e7kinderi tarixi\u015fi tezi mot doga\u00e7\u0306irnan? ]<\/p>\n Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan<\/strong>: Bu konularda \u00e7ok fazla konu\u015farak incitici bir imaj b\u0131rakmak istemem. Benim ve Lazlar\u0131n,\u00a0\u00a0G\u00fcrc\u00fclerle uzaktan yak\u0131ndan ilgileri yoktur, dilleriyle de. M\u00fc\u015fterek ya\u015fam alan\u0131 olmu\u015ftur, kelime al\u0131\u015fveri\u015fi yap\u0131lm\u0131\u015ft\u0131r. L\u00e2kin G\u00fcrc\u00fcler Kolkhis Kafkasya\u2019s\u0131na Lazlardan binlerce sene sonra gelmi\u015flerdir. \u0130berya ad\u0131 onlar\u0131n de\u011fildir, \u00f6rne\u011fin. Onlar, Lazlar taraf\u0131ndan Hazar\u2019\u0131n G\u00fcney-do\u011fusundan toplanarak, Lazlarca terk edilen \u0130berya\u2019ya yerle\u015ftirilmi\u015ftir. Ahamenid Devletinin y\u0131k\u0131l\u0131\u015f\u0131 sonras\u0131nda hem de. Bu \u015fekliyle nas\u0131l biz onlar\u0131n soyu veya boyu oluruz? Bu b\u00fcy\u00fck bir yalan! Kar\u015f\u0131 durmayay\u0131m m\u0131? Fanatik bir \u0131rk\u00e7\u0131 veya \u015fucu- bucu de\u011filim. Basit ama Evrensel g\u00f6revi oldu\u011funa inanan bir f\u00e2niyim. Bu g\u00f6revimi yaparken de hi\u00e7 engel tan\u0131mam. Ben bu kitab\u0131 30 y\u0131l \u00f6nce de yay\u0131nlayabilirdim. Ama \u015fan ve \u015f\u00f6hret pe\u015finde de\u011fildim ki yay\u0131mlayay\u0131m. Lazlar\u0131n n\u00fcfusu olay\u0131na s\u0131ra gelince; \u00f6yle az\u0131msanacak bir az\u0131nl\u0131k hi\u00e7 de\u011filiz. Altay Da\u011flar\u0131\u2019ndan Adriyatik\u2019e kadar uzanan Pontika Bozk\u0131rlar\u0131, Osmanl\u0131\u2019n\u0131n Balkan Lazistan\u2019\u0131, Karadeniz\u2019in b\u00fct\u00fcn k\u0131y\u0131lar\u0131 asimile olmu\u015fsa, da Lazona\u2019d\u0131r. Bug\u00fcn Laz Devleti yok diye, Svan-Megrel- Laz ayn\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131n olu\u015fturdu\u011fu, Tzani, \u00c7an, \u00c7anetti, Canca, Canik, Alazya (K\u0131br\u0131s) yerle\u015fmeleri ve Laz Amazonlar\u0131n kurdu\u011fu kentler, Kent Devletler tarihin i\u00e7inde. \u0130kinci kitab\u0131m bunlar\u0131 uzun uzun belgeleriyle g\u00f6zler \u00f6n\u00fcne serecek.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Makalelerinizde \u201cKolkhis\/ Kolhis\u201d diyorsunuz? \u201cKolkhis\/ Kolhis\u201d yerine \u201cKolkheti\/ Kolheti\u201d veya \u201cKolkhida\u201d\/ \u201cKolhida\u201d ni\u00e7in demiyorsunuz? \u201cKolkhis\/ Kolhis\u201d diyorsunuz ancak o \u00fclkede ya\u015fayan \u201cKolkhlardan\/ Kolhlardan\u201d bahsetmiyorsunuz. Ni\u00e7in? Kolkhlar\u0131n bug\u00fcnk\u00fc miras\u00e7\u0131lar\u0131 kimlerdir? Kolkh dili bug\u00fcn hangi dillerin i\u00e7inde ya\u015f\u0131yor?<\/p>\n [Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi:\u00a0<\/strong>Mak\u0306alepe tkvani\u015fi doloxe mu\u015feni \u201cKolkhis\/ Kolhis\u201d ixmart? Mu\u015feni \u201cK\u0306olxeti\u201d varna\u00a0\u00a0\u201cK\u0306olxida\u201d va ixmart? \u201cKolkhis\/ Kolhis\u201d mi\u0292\u0306umert mara em dobadonas\u00a0\u00a0skideri\u00a0\u00a0mcve\u015fi \u201cK\u0306olxepe\u015fen\u201d mutu va mi\u0292\u0306umert. Mot? Mcve\u015fi K\u0306olxepe\u015fi and\u011faneri motalepe miepe renan? K\u0306olxuri nena and\u011faneri nd\u011fas namu nenape\u015fi doloxe skidun?]<\/p>\n Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan<\/strong>: Kolkhis diyorum; do\u011fru. Kolhetti-Egrisi- Kolhida\u2019n\u0131n b\u00fct\u00fcn\u00fc Kolh\u2019lar\u0131n Lazonas\u0131d\u0131r. Kolhlar\u0131n, Lazlar\u0131n Atas\u0131 oldu\u011fu o yanl\u0131 tarih\u00e7ilerin nas\u0131lsa kabul etti\u011fi bir ger\u00e7ektir. M.\u00d6 1300\u2019lerde kurulan Laz Devletidir Kolkhis. Daha G\u00fcrc\u00fcler, Lazlar\u0131n ad\u0131n\u0131 verdi\u011fi \u0130berya\u2019da yokken hem de\u2026 Kolhlardan \u00e7ok s\u00f6z ediyorum. Ka\u00e7\u0131rm\u0131\u015f olabilirsiniz. Kolhlar\u0131n miras\u00e7\u0131lar\u0131 sadece Lazlard\u0131r.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Siz Lazcay\u0131 \u00e7ok iyi biliyorsunuz. Lazcay\u0131 aktif olarak da kullan\u0131yorsunuz. Lazcay\u0131 \u00e7ok iyi bilen, Lazca g\u00fczelce makale, masal ve \u015fiirler yazabilen bir insans\u0131n\u0131z. Lazca makale, masal ve \u015fiirlerinizi be\u011feniyorum. Fakat baz\u0131 Lazca makale ve \u015fiirlerinizin konusunu be\u011fenmiyorum. Dedi\u011fim gibi, Lazca olduklar\u0131 i\u00e7in yine de be\u011feniyorum. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc bilmedi\u011fim eski Lazca kelimeleri sizin makale, masal ve \u015fiirlerinizden de \u00f6\u011freniyorum. Lazca \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131n\u0131zdan bahseder misiniz? Lazca \u00e7al\u0131\u015fma ar\u015fivinizden bahseder misiniz?<\/p>\n [Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi<\/strong>: Tkvan Lazuri nena k\u0306aixe\u015fa do mkva\u015fa gi\u00e7kinan. Lazuri nena nau\u00e7kin, na\u011far\u011falaps do na\u00e7\u0306arups molenarepe\u015fi doloxe tkvani steri dido k\u0306o\u00e7i reni?\u00a0\u00a0Man gi\u0292\u0306vat; var! Lazuri nena ak\u0306t\u0306iurixe\u015fa ixmart. Lazuri nena k\u0306aixe\u015fa nau\u00e7kin, mskva\u015fa Lazuri mak\u0306alepe, p\u0306aramit\u0306epe, \u015fiirepe naa\u00e7\u0306aren k\u0306o\u00e7i ret. Lazuri mak\u0306alepe, p\u0306aramit\u0306epe do \u015fiirepe tkvani k\u0306ai ma\u0292\u0306onen. Mara namtini Lazuri mak\u0306alepe, p\u0306aramit\u0306epe do \u015fiirepe tkvani\u015fi temape va mom\u0292\u0306ondun. Mara nagi\u0292\u0306vit steri, mak\u0306alepe, p\u0306aramit\u0306epe do \u015fiirepe tkvani Lazuri narenan \u015feni xoloti mom\u0292\u0306ondun; navami\u00e7kin zit\u0306ape tkvani no\u00e7ali\u015fepe\u015fenti dovigurap. Lazuri no\u00e7ali\u015fepe do arkivi tkvani\u015fenti molami\u015finit, iqveni?]<\/p>\n Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan<\/strong>: Ben sadece Lazca \u015fiir yazm\u0131yorum ki! Karadeniz \u015fivesiyle ve \u00f6zellikle T\u00fcrk\u00e7e \u015fiirler de yaz\u0131yorum. Lazca \u015fiir yazmam\u0131n as\u0131l nedeni; kay\u0131p kelimeleri kullanmak ve birka\u00e7 fanatik G\u00fcrc\u00fc propagandas\u0131n\u0131n \u00e7ok istedi\u011fi, her kelimenin sonuna \u201ci\u201d\u00a0\u00a0ekleyerek Lazca konu\u015fulup yaz\u0131lmayaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131 da kan\u0131tlamak istiyorum. Lazca \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmam\u0131n temelinde \u00e7a\u011fda\u015f bir yaz\u0131n diline sahip olunmas\u0131 ama\u00e7l\u0131d\u0131r. Haz\u0131rc\u0131 de\u011filim. De\u011fi\u015ftirilmesi gereken her ne varsa,\u00a0\u00a0de\u011fi\u015ftirilmesinden yanay\u0131m ve savunucusuyum. G\u00fcn\u00fcm\u00fczde Atalar\u0131n\u0131n izlerini Karadeniz da\u011flar\u0131nda bulan Germanylerin fonetik tarz\u0131na uygun yeni bir Laz Foneti\u011fi olu\u015fturaca\u011f\u0131m. Haz\u0131rlad\u0131\u011f\u0131m c\u00fcmleler i\u00e7inde Lazca kelimeler kullanarak uygulamal\u0131 Lazca haline getirdi\u011fim T\u00fcrk\u00e7e- Lazca s\u00f6zl\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn yay\u0131m\u0131n\u0131 \u015fimdilik durdurdum. San\u0131yorum Laz grameriyle birlikte kal\u0131c\u0131 bir hale getirmek i\u00e7in bas\u0131m\u0131n\u0131 yapaca\u011f\u0131m. Her konuda taviz veren bir ki\u015fili\u011fim var. L\u00e2kin Lazl\u0131k benim mal\u0131m de\u011fil. Ba\u015fkas\u0131n\u0131n da mal\u0131 de\u011fil. Laz olgusuna en iyi \u015fekilde nas\u0131l hizmet verece\u011fimin plan\u0131n\u0131 yap\u0131yorum. Bir y\u0131l filan sonra; \u201cNuh\u2019un Ayak \u0130zlerine Yolculuk\u201d ad\u0131yla belki de bu konular\u0131n filmini de yapaca\u011f\u0131z.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: \u00d6nce k\u0131saca \u0130skender Tzita\u015fi hakk\u0131nda bilgi vermek istiyorum. 1904 y\u0131l\u0131nda F\u0131nd\u0131kl\u0131\u2019da do\u011fdu. 1929\u2019da Latin harfleriyle Laz alfabesini haz\u0131rlad\u0131. 7 Kas\u0131m 1929 tarihinde Sohum\u2019da ilk Lazca gazeteyi yay\u0131nlad\u0131: \u201cK\u0131z\u0131l Y\u0131ld\u0131z\u201d. Abhazya\u2019da Lazlar\u0131n ya\u015fad\u0131\u011f\u0131 baz\u0131 k\u00f6ylerde ve Acaristan\u2019\u0131n Sarpi k\u00f6y\u00fcnde Laz okullar\u0131 a\u00e7t\u0131. Moleni Sarpi k\u00f6y\u00fcnde ve \u041d\u043e\u0432\u044b\u0439 \u0410\u0444\u043e\u043d\/ Yeni Afon\u2019da Lazca tiyatrolar kurdu. Bu okullar i\u00e7in Lazca ders kitaplar\u0131 haz\u0131rlad\u0131. Abhazya\/ O\u00e7am\u00e7ire\u2019de \u0421\u043a\u0443\u0440\u0447\u0430\/ Skur\u00e7a Liman\u0131 vadisinde ve \u0411\u0437\u044b\u0431\u044c\/ Bz\u0131b vadisinde fakir Laz k\u00f6yl\u00fcleri i\u00e7in kolhozlar kurdu. Sovyet vatanda\u015f\u0131 Lazlar\u0131n k\u00fclt\u00fcrel, ekonomik ve siyas\u00ee haklar\u0131 konusunda canla ba\u015fla \u00e7areler arad\u0131. Lazcay\u0131 bir standart bir kent dili haline getirmek i\u00e7in \u00e7al\u0131\u015ft\u0131. Tabii b\u00fct\u00fcn bunlar\u0131 Sovyet y\u00f6netiminin o zamanki do\u011fru politikalar\u0131, yine o zamanki Abhazya h\u00fck\u00fcmetinin deste\u011fiyle, di\u011fer \u00f6nder arkada\u015flar\u0131yla birlikte yapt\u0131. 1936- 1938 y\u0131llar\u0131 aras\u0131ndaki \u201cB\u00fcy\u00fck Ter\u00f6r\u201d zaman\u0131nda tasfiye edildi. Di\u011fer \u00f6nder arkada\u015flar\u0131yla birlikte Tiflis\u2019te idam edildi ve yeri \u015fimdi de bilinmeyen bir toplu mezara g\u00f6m\u00fcld\u00fc. Bol\u015feviklerin \u00f6nceki ve sonraki yapt\u0131klar\u0131n\u0131 be\u011feniriz veya be\u011fenmeyiz. Ancak b\u00fct\u00fcn bunlar tarih ve bilmemiz gerekir. \u0130skender Tzita\u015fi, bizlere \u00f6nemli bir k\u00fclt\u00fcrel miras b\u0131rakt\u0131, yaz\u0131l\u0131 k\u00fclt\u00fcrel materyaller b\u0131rakt\u0131. Siz, \u0130skender Tzita\u015fi\u2019yi ele\u015ftiriyorsunuz. Siz, \u201c\u0130skender Tzita\u015fi, Lazlar\u0131 G\u00fcrc\u00fcle\u015ftirmek istiyordu,\u201d diyorsunuz. Oysa baz\u0131 \u201cG\u00fcrc\u00fc\u201d ayd\u0131nlar\u0131 da, \u201c\u0130skender Tzita\u015fi, Kremlin\u2019in adam\u0131yd\u0131. Lazlar\u0131 G\u00fcrc\u00fclerden ay\u0131rmak ve Rusla\u015ft\u0131rmak istiyordu,\u201d diyorlar. \u0130skender Tzita\u015fi\u2019nin Lazcaya ili\u015fkin \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131 hakk\u0131nda \u015fimdi ne d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorsunuz?<\/p>\n [Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi:<\/strong>\u00a0\u0130pti mk\u0306ule\u015fa \u0130skender \u0292\u0306ita\u015fi\u015fi skidala\u015fen gi\u0292\u0306vat, eya minon ma. Vit\u0306on\u00e7xoroo\u015fidootxo \u0292\u0306anas Vi\u0292\u0306es dibadu. Vit\u0306on\u00e7xoroo\u015fidoe\u00e7ido\u00e7xoro \u0292\u0306anas Latinuri temaloni Lazuri alboni doxaziru.\u00a0\u00a0\u015ekvit \u0292\u0306ilva vit\u0306on\u00e7xoroo\u015fidoe\u00e7ido\u00e7xoro \u0292\u0306anas Soxumis iptineri Lazuri gazeta kogamo\u00e7ku: \u201cM\u00e7\u0306ita Murun\u0292xi\u201d. Apxazetis namtini Lazuri oput\u0306epes do A\u00e7\u0306aristani\u015fi oput\u0306e Sarpis Lazuri n\u0292\u0306opulape gon\u0292\u0306k\u0306u. Oput\u0306e meleni Sarpi do \u041d\u043e\u0432\u044b\u0439 \u0410\u0444\u043e\u043d\/ A\u011fani Afonis Lazuri teat\u0306repe kogon\u0292\u0306k\u0306u. Em n\u0292\u0306opulape \u015feni Lazuri dersi\u015fi ketabepe doxaziru. K\u0306remlini\u015fi Sovyeturi hukumeti\u015fi siyasuri k\u0306arari do Sovyetur- Apxazeti\u015fi Svalyaruli Hukumeti\u015fi me\u015fveluten,\u00a0\u00a0O\u00e7am\u00e7ire\u015fi limani \u201c\u0421\u043a\u0443\u0440\u0447\u0430\/ Skur\u00e7a\u201d-\u015fi vadis do \u201c\u0411\u0437\u044b\u0431\u044c\/ Bzipi\u201d-\u015fi vadis fuk\u0306ara Lazi oput\u0306arepe \u015feni k\u0306olxozepe\/ k\u0306olmanepe dote\u015fkilu. Sovyetistani\u015fi dobadonari Lazepe\u015fi k\u0306ult\u0306uruli, ek\u0306onomiuri do siyasuri hak\u0306epe\u015fi saxas \u015furdoguriten di\u00e7ali\u015fi\u015fu do gzalepe dogoru. Lazuri nena ar st\u0306andart\u0306uli nena oxvenu \u015feni dido di\u00e7ali\u015fu. Moro mu, antepe mteli Sovyeturi hukumeti\u015fi emindroneri mtini siyasetiten doqu majura lideri manebrape k\u0306ala artot. Vit\u0306on\u00e7xoroo\u015fidoe\u00e7idovit\u0306oan\u015fi- vit\u0306on\u00e7xoroo\u015fidoe\u00e7idovit\u0306oovro \u0292\u0306anape\u015fi \u015fkas ye\u00e7kinderi \u201cDidi T\u0306erori\u015fi\u201d oras tasfiye xveneri ren. Majura lideri manebrape mu\u015fi k\u0306ala nanano\u011fa Tiflisis go\u0292\u0306ik\u0306idinu, k\u0306ur\u015fumiten iqvilu do sva mu\u015fi a\u0292\u0306iti navai\u00e7kinen mpuleri ok\u0306oxveri mezares manebrape mu\u015fi k\u0306ala artot kodixvinu. Bol\u015fevik\u0306epe\u015fi \u0292\u0306oxleni do ok\u0306uleni noxvenepe, tkvan k\u0306ai ga\u0292\u0306onenan varna var; aya mi\u00e7kit\u0306an. Mara antepe mteli tarixi ren do \u00e7kin o\u00e7kinu doma\u00e7\u0306irnan. E\u015fo varna a\u015fo, \u0130skender \u0292\u0306ita\u015fi do gzam\u015finepe mu\u015fik beciti k\u0306ult\u0306uruli miras\u0131 memi\u015fkves,\u00a0\u00a0\u00e7\u0306areli do gamo\u00e7kvineri k\u0306ult\u0306uruli mat\u0306eryalepe memi\u015fkves. Tkvan \u0130skender \u0292\u0306ita\u015fis ak\u0306rit\u0306ikept. Tkvan, \u0130skender \u0292\u0306ita\u015fis Lazepe\u015fi gokortu unt\u0306u\u201d yado \u00e7\u0306arupt, Mara and\u011faneri namtini \u201cKortu\u201d gamantanerepekti, \u201c\u0130skender \u0292\u0306ita\u015fi K\u0306remlini\u015fi k\u0306o\u00e7i rt\u0306u Lazepe\u015fi gorusu unt\u0306u,\u201d -ya tkumerman. \u0130skender \u01b7\u0306ita\u015fi\u015fi Lazuri no\u00e7ali\u015fepe\u015fen tkvan a\u0292\u0306i mu isimadept?]<\/p>\n Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan<\/strong>: \u0130skender Tzita\u015fi d\u00e2hil t\u00fcm Laz konular\u0131ndan bilgi sahibiyim. Ele\u015ftirdim; evet. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc Laz diline \u201c-\u015fi\u201d ve \u201c-i\u201d eklerini ulamak onun i\u015fi. Rus Dilbilgisi kurallar\u0131na veya Halklar\u0131n Karde\u015fli\u011fi ilkesinin \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmamas\u0131 gereken kuram\u0131na g\u00f6re, Lazcay\u0131 hi\u00e7 kimse berbat edemez. Bu uluslar\u0131n diliyle Lazca kelime t\u00fcretmek de ay\u0131p. Bug\u00fcn K\u00fcrt\u00e7e\u2019de Laz Dilinden ge\u00e7me 300\u2019 e yak\u0131n kelime var. Bizim kullanamad\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z \u201c\u00e7ur\u201d\u00a0\u00a0kelimesini, en basitinden onlar \u201c\u00e7ukur\u201d olarak rahatl\u0131kla kullanabiliyor. Geldi\u011fimiz \u00e7a\u011fda Lazcay\u0131 Tzita\u015fi\u2019nin prangalar\u0131 alt\u0131nda tutmak olanaks\u0131z. Kendi de\u011ferini bulacak bir dildir Lazca. Bir k\u00f6kten bu kadar \u00e7ok kelime \u00fcretilen ikinci bir dil yok ki d\u00fcnyada!<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: 1993\u2019den beri kulland\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z Latin k\u00f6kenli Laz alfabesine kar\u015f\u0131 \u00e7\u0131k\u0131yorsunuz. 1993\u2019den bu yana, bu alfabe ile y\u00fcz\u00fc a\u015fk\u0131n Lazca kitap, binlerce makale yaz\u0131ld\u0131 ve yay\u0131nland\u0131. Siz, bu alfabeye kar\u015f\u0131 \u00e7\u0131k\u0131yorsunuz \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc kendinize \u00f6zel Latin k\u00f6kenli bir Laz alfabesi kullan\u0131yorsunuz. Buna ni\u00e7in ihtiya\u00e7 duyuyorsunuz? Bu konuda bir tezinizin oldu\u011fu anla\u015f\u0131l\u0131yor, \u00f6yle mi? \u0130skender Tzita\u015fi, Fahri Lazo\u011flu ve Wolfgang Feurstein Laz alfabelerini yetersiz mi buluyorsunuz? Bu alandaki teziniz nedir?<\/p>\n [Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi:\u00a0<\/strong>(1993)\u00a0<\/strong>vit\u0306on\u00e7xoroo\u015fdootxone\u00e7idovit\u0306osum \u0292\u0306ana\u015fen doni Turkiyes ak\u0306t\u0306iurixe\u015fa\u00a0\u00a0navixmart Latinuri cinconi Lazuri alboni\u015fi oxmaru\u015fa tkvan nodgitapt. (1993)\u00a0<\/strong>vit\u0306on\u00e7xoroo\u015fdo otxone\u00e7idovit\u0306osum \u0292\u0306ana\u015fen ak\u015fa (100) o\u015fi\u015fen dido Lazuri ketabi am alboniten kogamaxtu. (1000) vit\u0306o\u015fepeten mak\u0306ale am alboniten i\u00e7\u0306aru. Tkvan am alboni\u015fa nodgitapt, xvala tkvanda doxmeli alboni ixmart do emu\u015feni. Mu\u015feni aya doga\u00e7\u0306irnan. E\u015fo i\u017eirenki, tkvan ar tezi kogi\u011funan am saxas, e\u015foi? \u0130skender \u0292\u0306ita\u015fi, Fahri Lazo\u011fli do Volfgang Feur\u015ft\u0306aini\u015fi Lazuri albonepe udoba\u011fine renani? Mu ren tkvani tezi am saxas?]<\/p>\n Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan<\/strong>: Neden o dilde yaz\u0131ld\u0131 demiyorum ki! Yazmay\u0131n art\u0131k! Lazca bu de\u011fil diyor ve bine yak\u0131n Lazca \u015fiirle bunu \u00f6rnekliyorum. Elbette onlar da Laz diline, tarihine katk\u0131da bulundular. L\u00e2kin ben bir idealistim. Ya do\u011frusu ya hi\u00e7 \u00e7izgisinde hem de. O alfabeleri yetersiz buldu\u011fumdan de\u011fil, tek ba\u015f\u0131na baz\u0131 harf diye olu\u015fturulan \u015fekillerin asl\u0131n\u0131 vermedi\u011fini s\u00f6yl\u00fcyorum. Lazca bilme yen biri; \u201c\u00e7i\u00e7ila\u201d (y\u0131lan) kelimesini 3 ile ba\u015flat\u0131rsan; \u201c\u00e7iiy\u00e7ila\u201d s\u00f6ylemini a\u011fz\u0131ndan \u00e7\u0131karamaz ki. Hele Laz de\u011filse, hi\u00e7 \u00e7\u0131karamaz. Yeni fonetik \u015fekiller t\u00fcm bunlar\u0131 \u00f6nleyecektir inanc\u0131nday\u0131m. Ayr\u0131cal\u0131k olsun diye \u201cx\u201d gibi harfleri de \u00f6zellikle kullanm\u0131yorum. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc Lazca bir kelime c\u00fcmle i\u00e7inde kullan\u0131l\u0131\u015f\u0131na, y\u00fcklendi\u011fi g\u00f6reve g\u00f6re anlam kazan\u0131r.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Sovyetler Birli\u011fi d\u00f6neminde ve sonras\u0131nda G\u00fcrcistan\u2019da G\u00fcrc\u00fc harfleriyle derlenmi\u015f, yaz\u0131lm\u0131\u015f ve yay\u0131nlanm\u0131\u015f binlerce sayfa Lazca masal, anlat\u0131 ve \u015fiir var. B\u00fct\u00fcn bunlar \u00e7ok \u00f6nemli. Siz bu konuda ne d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorsunuz? G\u00fcrc\u00fc alfabesini biliyor musunuz? Bilmiyorsan\u0131z, \u00f6\u011frenecek misiniz?<\/p>\n [Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi<\/strong>: Sovyetistani\u015fi hukumeti\u015fi oras do ok\u0306uleni orapes, Gurcistanis, \u201cGurculi\/ Kortuli\u201d alboniten dolo\u00e7\u0306areli do gamo\u00e7kvineri (1000) vit\u0306o\u015fepeten sayfa Lazuri p\u0306aramiti, ambari do \u015fiiri \u015finaxeri ren \u00e7kvado\u00e7kva ketabepe\u015fi doloxe. Antepe mteli dido beciti ren. Am saxa\u015fen tkvan mu isimadept? \u201cGurculi\u201d\/ \u201cKortuli\u201d alboni gi\u00e7kinani? Va gi\u00e7kinanna, oguru ginonani?]<\/p>\n Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan<\/strong>: Laz, her dilde yazar. Laz belki batan Atlantis\u2019e sayg\u0131s\u0131ndan, belki de Bilge Tanr\u0131 Enki (Lazuta)\u2019n\u0131n iste\u011fi gere\u011fi, kendi alfabesini olu\u015fturmam\u0131\u015f olabilir. Frans\u0131zca yazd\u0131\u011f\u0131 i\u00e7in Laz Frans\u0131z olmuyor elbette. G\u00fcrc\u00fcce alfabeyi o devlet s\u0131n\u0131rlar\u0131 i\u00e7inde kullanmalar\u0131 \u00e7ok do\u011fal. Burada da Latin alfabesiyle T\u00fcrk\u00e7eyi kullan\u0131yoruz. Verilen eserler G\u00fcrc\u00fc alfabe ile yaz\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131 i\u00e7in de\u011fer ifade etmez. De\u011feri varsa, kantarda a\u011f\u0131rl\u0131k olu\u015fturur!<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: \u00d6zelikle \u0130stanbul ve Ankara ile ba\u015fka baz\u0131 \u015fehirlerde benim bilebildi\u011fim bir s\u00fcr\u00fc y\u00f6resel k\u00fclt\u00fcrel dernek ve vak\u0131f var. K\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fc ve Lazcay\u0131 ya\u015fatmak i\u00e7in\u00a0canla ba\u015fla \u00e7al\u0131\u015ft\u0131klar\u0131n\u0131 biliyorum.\u00a0\u00d6yle veya b\u00f6yle faydal\u0131 k\u00fclt\u00fcrel faaliyetler yap\u0131yorlar. \u201cFacebook\u201d sayfan\u0131zdan anlayabildi\u011fim kadar\u0131yla, yeni bir dernek kurmak i\u00e7in \u00e7areler ar\u0131yorsunuz. Ni\u00e7in yeni bir dernek kurmaya ihtiya\u00e7 duyuyorsunuz?<\/p>\n [Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi<\/strong>: Didopeten no\u011fa \u0130st\u0306anbuli do nanano\u011fa Ankara k\u0306ala namtini no\u011fapes namama\u00e7kinen k\u0306onariten (10) vit\u0306epeten svalyaruli k\u0306ult\u0306uruli derne\u011fi do vakifi koren. Edo e\u015fo varna pelaperi k\u0306ult\u0306uruli faaliyetepe ikipan. K\u0306ult\u0306uri do Lazuri nena oskedinu \u015feni \u015furdoguriten i\u00e7ali\u015fepan, ma e\u015fo mi\u00e7kin. \u201cFacebook\u201d-\u015fi sayfa tkvani\u015fen naoxoma\u0292\u0306anu k\u0306onariten, tkvan a\u011fani derne\u011fi dodgu \u015feni gzalepe gorupt. Mu\u015feni a\u011fani derne\u011fi dodgu doga\u00e7\u0306irnan? ]<\/p>\n Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan<\/strong>: Yeni bir dernek kurmak filan istemiyorum ki! Sadece \u201cLaz Sempozyumu\u201d veya \u201cLaz Konferans\u0131\u201d toplay\u0131p her konuyu enine boyuna tart\u0131\u015fmaktan yanay\u0131m. Bug\u00fcn d\u0131\u015far\u0131dan en az etkilenmi\u015f; F\u0131nd\u0131kl\u0131- Arhavi Lazcas\u0131 Sideri- Pilarget a\u011fz\u0131 ortak Lazca olmak durumundayken bunu yapmamak do\u011fru de\u011fil. T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de Karadeniz, Do\u011fu veya Ege \u015fivesi Anadili olabilir mi?\u00a0\u00a0Olamaz! \u0130\u015fte bunun i\u00e7in ortak bir Lazcam\u0131z olsun istiyorum.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: G\u00fcrcistan\u2019da Meleni Sarpi\u2019de bir \u201cLaz Etnografya M\u00fczesi\u201d, Arhavi\u2019de, Dikyama\u00e7\/ Kamparna\u2019da bir \u201cYa\u015fam Tarz\u0131 M\u00fczesi\u201d var. Bu m\u00fczeleri g\u00f6rd\u00fcn\u00fcz m\u00fc? \u0130zlenimlerinizi s\u00f6yler misiniz?<\/p>\n [Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi:\u00a0<\/strong>G\u00fcrcistani\u015fi oput\u0306e Meleni Sarpi \u201cLazuri Etnografya\u015fi Muze\u201d, Turkiye\u015fi no\u011fa Arhavi\u015fi oput\u0306e \/ K\u0306amp\u0306arnas\u00a0\u00a0\u201cSkidala\u015fi St\u0306ili\u015fi Muze\u201d koren. Am muzepe\u015fen\u00a0\u00a0muepe gatkvenenan?]<\/p>\n Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan<\/strong>: Hay\u0131r, g\u00f6rmedim. Ara\u015ft\u0131rmalar\u0131m ba\u015fka y\u00f6nde oldu\u011fu i\u00e7in y\u00fczeysel konulara Lazona\u2019dayken zaman ay\u0131ram\u0131yorum.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>:\u00a0UNESCO\u2019nun \u201c21 \u015eubat Anadili G\u00fcn\u00fc\u201d, bana komik geliyor. 21 \u015eubat, hem baz\u0131 siyaset\u00e7iler hem de anadillerini ya\u015fatmak i\u00e7in \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yormu\u015f gibi yapan kimi ayd\u0131nlar\u00a0\u00a0i\u00e7in bir \u201cg\u00fcnah \u00e7\u0131karma g\u00fcn\u00fc\u201d; ben b\u00f6yle g\u00f6r\u00fcyorum. Bu y\u0131lki \u201canadili g\u00fcn\u00fc\u201dnde milletvekili Tahsin Ocakl\u0131, Meclis\u2019te annesi i\u00e7in birka\u00e7 c\u00fcmle konu\u015fmak istedi; izin verilmedi. Bu konuya ili\u015fkin ne s\u00f6ylemek istersiniz? \u00d6nce \u015funlar\u0131 da s\u00f6yleyeyim: Daha \u00f6nceki \u201canadili g\u00fcnleri\u201dnde milletvekili Mehmet Bekaro\u011flu Meclis\u2019te Lazca mesajlar vermi\u015fti. Biliyorsunuz; Tahsin Ocakl\u0131\u2019n\u0131n \u00e7ok g\u00fczel Lazca \u015fark\u0131lar\u0131 var. Mehmet Bekaro\u011flu da Laz Enstit\u00fcs\u00fc\u2019n\u00fcn kurucu ba\u015fkan\u0131.<\/p>\n [Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi<\/strong>: \u201cUNESCO\u201d- \u015fi \u201c21 K\u0306undura- Nananena\u015fi Nd\u011fa\u201d o\u017ei3inoni momixteps.\u00a0\u00a0Aya ren gyunaxepe\u015fi mo\u0292\u0306k\u0306u\u015fi nd\u011fa hemi namtini masiyasetepe \u015feni hemiti nananena mutepe\u015fi \u015feni mitam nai\u00e7ali\u015fapen steri naikipan namtini gamantanerepe \u015feni; e\u015fo momixteps, mu p\u0306a?! An\u0292\u0306ineri \u201cNananena\u015fi Nd\u011fa\u201d-s, mebusi Tahsin Ocaklis nana mu\u015fi \u015feni ar-jur Lazuri cumle otkvalu unt\u0306u Meclisis mara gza va ni\u00e7inu. Tkvan am xali \u015feni mu otkvalu ginonan?\u00a0\u00a0Ayati gi\u0292\u0306vat: \u0292\u0306oxleni \u0292\u0306anapes, mebusi Mehmet Bekaro\u011flik \u00e7\u0306it\u0306a- \u00e7\u0306it\u0306a Lazuri mesajepe me\u00e7apt\u0306u Meclisis. Tkvanti k\u0306aixe\u015fa gi\u00e7kinan; Tahsin Ocaklis ku\u011fun dido mskva Lazuri birapape do Mehmet Bekaro\u011fliti Lazuri Enst\u0306it\u0306ut\u0306i\u015fi iptineri dudmaxvence rt\u0306u.]<\/p>\n Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan<\/strong>: \u0130zledim. Burada siyaseten yap\u0131lan kargal\u0131klar\u0131 s\u00f6z konusu etmek istemem. Konu\u015fmaya kalkmak da yanl\u0131\u015f, susturmak da yanl\u0131\u015f.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: \u015eimdi siz de isterseniz art\u0131k s\u00f6yle\u015fimizi sonland\u0131ral\u0131m.\u00a0\u00a0Art\u0131k ba\u015fka sorum yok. Ancak yine de sizin s\u00f6ylemek istedikleriniz veya mesajlar\u0131n\u0131z varsa, buradan duyural\u0131m. Te\u015fekk\u00fcr ederim!<\/p>\n [Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi<\/strong>: A\u0292\u0306i tkvanti ginonanna, int\u0306erviu \u00e7kini a\u0292\u0306i dovo\u00e7odinat. A\u00e7kva \u00e7kva\u00a0\u00a0k\u0306itxala va mi\u011fun tkvanda. Mara xoloti tkvan \u00e7kva otkvalu\u015fi mutu gi\u011funanna, mu mi\u00e7kin,\u00a0\u00a0mesajepe gi\u011funanna, mi\u0292\u0306vit do \u00e7kinti vognapat. \u015eukuri go\u011fodapt! \u011eormotik bere- bari k\u0306ala iro goxelan! \u0130xelat do n\u0292a\u015fa yextat!]<\/p>\n Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan<\/strong>: Ben, her g\u00fcn sanal \u00e2lemde, ama her g\u00fcn internet ortam\u0131nda hi\u00e7 durmadan konu\u015fup yaz\u0131yorum. Son s\u00f6z\u00fcm \u015f\u00f6yle olabilir: Hak dilenmiyorum. Hi\u00e7 kimsenin beni desteklemesini de beklemiyorum. Ben Atat\u00fcrk miras\u00e7\u0131s\u0131y\u0131m ve her i\u015fimi tek tabanca g\u00f6r\u00fcr\u00fcm ki sen \u00e7ok uzun y\u0131llardan bu yana dostum oldu\u011fun i\u00e7in bunu en iyi bilenlerdensin.<\/p>\n (\u00d6nerilen okumalar<\/strong>: \u201cAbhazya Parlamentosu\u2019nun A\u00e7\u0131klamas\u0131\u201d, \u201cKafkasya Yaz\u0131lar\u0131\u201d, Say\u0131 6, \u00c7iviyaz\u0131lar\u0131 Yay\u0131nevi, \u0130stanbul, 1999\/\u00a0sonhaber.ch\/\u00a0circassiancenter.com.tr;\u00a0Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz, , \u201cLazuri ren \u00e7kini minoba\u201d, Laz K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi Tanura, Say\u0131 3, Lazika Yay\u0131n Kollektifi Yay\u0131n\u0131, \u0130stanbul,\u00a0\u00a02012; \u201cD\u00fcnden Bug\u00fcne Lazca Gramer ve S\u00f6zl\u00fck \u00c7al\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131\u201d,\u00a0\u00a007 III 2020, sonhaber.ch\/ circassiancenter.com.tr;\u00a0Givi G. Kar\u00e7ava: \u201cBir dilde ba\u015fka dillerden ne kadar \u00e7ok \u00f6d\u00fcn\u00e7 kelime varsa, o dilin o kadar eski,\u00a0\u00a0zengin ve bir k\u00fclt\u00fcr dili oldu\u011funu anlayabiliriz!\u201d, 6 V 2021, sonhaber.ch\/ gurcuhaber.com\/ circassiancenter.com.tr\/ hyetert.org;\u00a0\u0130brahim Bayrako\u011flu- \u0130rfan \u00c7. Aleksiva, \u201cB\u00fcy\u00fck Tasviyede Lazlar\u201d, Dil, Tarih, K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi Ogni, Say\u0131 7, Laz K\u00fclt\u00fcr Derne\u011fi Yay\u0131n\u0131, \u0130stanbul, 2017;\u00a0\u201c\u0130\u00e7indekilerle Ogni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi (1993-1994)\u201d, 12 XI 2020, sonhaber.ch\/ circassiancenter.com.tr;\u00a0Isqenderi Chita\u015fi, (Yay\u0131ma Haz\u0131rlayan: \u0130rfan \u00c7. Aleksiva; Rus\u00e7adan \u00c7eviri: Erg\u00fcn Konak\u00e7\u0131; Almanca\u2019dan \u00c7eviri: Nurten Kurnaz), \u201c\u00c7quni \u00c7hara\/ Alboni\u015fi Supara\u201d, Laz K\u00fclt\u00fcr Derne\u011fi Yay\u0131nlar\u0131, \u0130stanbul, 2012; Isqenderi Chita\u015fi, (T\u0131pk\u0131bas\u0131m, s\u00f6zl\u00fck; yay\u0131na haz\u0131rlayan: \u0130rfan \u00c7. Aleksiva), \u201cOxesapu\u015fi Supara\u201d (\u201cLazca Matematik Kitab\u0131\u201d), Geoaktif Yay\u0131nlar\u0131, \u0130stanbul, 2012;\u00a0\u0130rfan \u00c7. Aleksiva, \u201cYeni Bilgiler I\u015f\u0131\u011f\u0131nda \u0130skender Chita\u015fi\u201d, Ogni Skani Nena, Say\u0131 7, Laz K\u00fclt\u00fcr Derne\u011fi Yay\u0131n\u0131, \u0130stanbul, 2017; \u0130smail Avc\u0131 Bucakli\u015fi,\u00a0\u00a0\u201cLaz Alfabesinin Ger\u00e7ek Mimar\u0131\u201d,\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a01 IV 2017, jinepsgazetesi.com; \u0130smail Avc\u0131 Bucakli\u015fi,\u00a0\u00a0\u201cJapon \u0130\u015fi Laz Alfabesi\u201d, -1 V 2017, jinepsgazetesi.com; Kamil Semih Kalyoncuo\u011flu, \u201cLazistan Sanca\u011f\u0131’n\u0131n Sosyo- Ekonomik Yap\u0131s\u0131(1877-1918),\u00a02021, iksadyayinevi.com;\u00a0\u201cKapsaml\u0131 Lazca- G\u00fcrc\u00fcce S\u00f6zl\u00fck Yay\u0131nland\u0131\u201d, 20 XI 2021, sonhaber.ch\/ circassiancenter.com.tr\/ gurcuhaber.com; \u201cKolektif Bir \u00c7al\u0131\u015fma: Arhavi Halk Bilim Ara\u015ft\u0131rmas\u0131\u201d, 28 II 2020, sonhaber.ch\/ circassiancenter.com.tr; \u201cLaz Alfabesi (Alboni)\u201d, lazkulturdernegi.org.tr; \u201cLaz Kimlik M\u00fccadelesinde \u0130skender Tzita\u015fi\u2019nin \u00d6nemi\u201d, 14 IV 2013, yusufbulut.com\/ sonhaber.ch\/ circassiancenter.com.tr;\u00a0\u201cLaz Dili Temel Dersleri\u201d,\u00a0\u00a011 I 2024, sonhaber.ch\/ circassiancenter.com.tr;\u00a0\u201cMecit \u00c7ak\u0131rusta\u2019n\u0131n \u0130mza G\u00fcn\u00fc Etkinli\u011fi\u201d, 19 II 2012, circassiancenter.com.tr;\u00a0Nodar Lomouri, (\u00c7eviren: Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz), \u201cEgrisi\/ Lazika Krall\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131n Tarihi\u201d, Ogni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi,\u00a0\u00a0Say\u0131 5, Temmuz-A\u011fustos 1994, \u0130stanbul; Nuri Bagaps, (\u00c7eviren: Anri \u00c7ediya) \u201c20. Y\u00fczy\u0131lda ve 21. Y\u00fczy\u0131l\u0131n Ba\u015f\u0131nda Abhazya\u2019da Laz N\u00fcfusu: Demografik Durum ve Yerle\u015fim Co\u011frafyas\u0131n\u0131n \u00d6zellikler\/ The Laz Population in Abkhazia in the 20th Century and Beginning of the 21st Century: Demographic Situation and Features of the Geographic Settlement\u201d, Kafkasya Cal\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131 \u2013 Sosyal Bilimler Dergisi \/ Journal of Caucasian Studies May\u0131s 2021 \/ May 2021, Y\u0131l \/ Vol. 6, \u2116 12\/ dergipark.org.tr; \u201cOrtaokul ve \u0130mam Hatip Ortaokulu Ya\u015fayan Diller ve Leh\u00e7eler Dersi (Lazca; 5, 6, 7 ve 8. S\u0131n\u0131flar) \u00d6\u011fretim Program\u0131\u201d, mufredat.meb.gov.tr;\u00a0\u201cRize Milletvekili Ocakl\u0131, Anadil G\u00fcn\u00fc\u2019nde Meclis\u2019te Lazca Konu\u015furken Mikrofonu kapat\u0131ld\u0131\u201d, 21 II 2024, aktuel53.com.tr;\u00a0\u201cSovyet Lazlar\u0131 Halk \u00d6nderi \u0130skender Tzita\u015fi ve Solun Ezberini Bozan Mektuplar\u0131\u201d, 5 XII 2013, sonhaber.ch, circassiancenter.com.tr; \u015eemseddin Sami (\u00c7evriyaz\u0131: Fahrettin \u00c7ilo\u011flu), \u201cK\u00e2m\u00fcs- ul Al\u00e2m\u2019da Lazlar ve Lazistan\u201d, Ogni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi, Say\u0131 2, \u0130stanbul, 1994;\u00a0\u201cTBMM\u2019de Lazca Krizi! K\u00fcrs\u00fcde Mikrofon Kapat\u0131ld\u0131\u201d, 22 II 2024, gunebakis.com.tr; \u201c\u10d5\u10d8\u10e1\u10ec\u10d0\u10d5\u10da\u10dd\u10d7\u00a0\u10da\u10d0\u10d6\u10e3\u10e0\u10d8!\/ Lazca \u00d6\u011frenelim!\u201d, 03 II 2024, sonhaber.ch\/ circassiancenter.com\/ abhazpostasi.com;\u00a0Ya\u015fa Tandilava: \u201cM\u00fcze tarihtir!\u201d, 28 I 2021, sonhaber.ch\/ circassiancenter.com.tr\/ gurcuhaber.com;\u00a0Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan, \u201cLazlar\u201d, Ogni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi, Say\u0131 1, \u0130stanbul, 1993;\u00a0Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan: \u201cBizimkiler Sohum\u2019a Yerle\u015fmi\u015f!\u201d, 22 XI 2018, circassiancenter.com.tr; Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan: \u201cOgni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi\u201d ikinci \u00e7ocu\u011fum olarak kuca\u011f\u0131mdayd\u0131!\u201d ,7 VI 2022,\u00a0sonhaber.ch\/ circassiancenter.com.tr)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":" Ali İhsan Aksamaz [Ön açıklama: Yazar Yılmaz Erdoğan, bana telefon edip “Benimle bir söyleşi yap da, bizim kültürel meselelerden bir güzelce konuşayım,” dedi. Doğrusunu isterseniz, ben de uzun zamandan beri kendisiyle şaşırtıcı tezlerine ilişkin konuşmak istiyordum. Böylece ben söyledim, o dinledi. Ben sordum, o cevapladı. O söyledi, ben dinledim. 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