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Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong><\/p>\n [Do\u011fu Karadeniz b\u00f6lgesi de\u00adnince herkesin akl\u0131na Laz\u00adlar gelir. Fakat Lazlar bu\u00adg\u00fcne kadar hep komik f\u0131kralarla an\u0131la gelmi\u015flerdir. Ara\u015ft\u0131rmac\u0131-ya\u00adzar Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz ise Lazlar\u0131n k\u00f6kl\u00fc bir tarih, k\u00fclt\u00fcr ve dil zenginli\u011fine sahip bu co\u011frafyan\u0131n yerli halk\u0131 oldu\u011funu yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131 ara\u015ft\u0131rma ve kitaplar\u0131yla belgelemeye \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yor. Aksamaz ile \u00e7\u0131kard\u0131\u011f\u0131 kitaplar ve Lazlar\u0131n durumunu konu\u015ftuk.( Talip Kaynar)]<\/p>\n Talip Kaynar<\/strong>: <\/em>Lazlara ili\u015fkin \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131n\u0131z nas\u0131l ba\u015flad\u0131?<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>:1992’de tesad\u00fcf eseri Lazlar\u0131n tarihine ili\u015fkin okudu\u011fum bir kitapla birlikte Laz k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fcne ilgim ba\u015flad\u0131. Okudu\u011fum bu kitaptaki bana g\u00f6re \u00e7eli\u015fkiler, beni bu konuda bir ara\u015ft\u0131rmaya itti. Bu ki\u015fisel merak konusu toplumsal oldu\u011fu i\u00e7in toplumsal bir boyuta ula\u015ft\u0131. Bir arkada\u015f\u0131n tavsiyesi ile ilk makalemi yazd\u0131m. Ve makale\u00adnin ismini de \u201cLazlara g\u00fclmenin dayan\u0131lmaz hafifli\u011fi\u201d koydum. Bu makalem o d\u00f6nem (1993\u2019de) \u00d6zg\u00fcr G\u00fcndem Gazetesi\u2019nde yay\u0131nland\u0131.<\/p>\n Talip Kaynar<\/strong>: Sizi bu \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalara iten toplumsal durum, \u00e7eli\u015fki veya problem neydi?<\/em><\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: T\u00fcrkiye’de Lazlar diye bir halk ve bu halk\u0131n bir dili var. Ve sonu\u00e7ta bu toplumun bir tarihi var. \u00a0D\u00fcnyada \u0130rili ufakl\u0131 bir\u00e7ok dil bu\u00adlunuyor ama Lazca gibi \u00e7ok zor durumda bulunan diller de var. O ama\u00e7la \u00f6zellikle Laz dilini geli\u015ftirmek i\u00e7in bug\u00fcnk\u00fc ula\u015ft\u0131\u011f\u0131m nok\u00adtada bu \u00e7abalar\u0131m\u0131 y\u00fcr\u00fct\u00fcyorum. Benim anlay\u0131\u015f\u0131m \u015fu: \u0130ster y\u00fcz ki\u015fi\u00adlik bir k\u00f6yde konu\u015fulan bir dil ol\u00adsun, isterse \u00fc\u00e7 milyon ki\u015fi taraf\u0131n\u00addan konu\u015fulan bir dil olsun her bir dilin \u00f6nemi ayn\u0131d\u0131r. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc o dil tarihin derinliklerinden bug\u00fcne kadar ula\u015fm\u0131\u015f bir k\u00f6pr\u00fcd\u00fcr.<\/p>\n Talip Kaynar<\/strong>: \u00c7iviyaz\u0131lar\u0131 Yay\u0131nevi’nde yay\u0131nlanan \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131n\u0131z var. Bunlardan bahseder misiniz?<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: \u00c7iviyaz\u0131lar\u0131 Yay\u0131nevi’nin o zaman farkl\u0131 k\u00fclt\u00fcrler ve dillere ili\u015fkin yay\u0131n yapaca\u011f\u0131 g\u00fcndeme gelince, benim \u00f6nerimle “Mjora” ad\u0131yla kitap serisi yay\u0131na koydular. \u201cMjora\u201d Lazca’da g\u00fcne\u015f anlam\u0131na geliyor ve b\u00fct\u00fcn Kafkasya halklar\u0131nda kutsal bir anlam ta\u015f\u0131yor.<\/p>\n Talip Kaynar<\/strong>: 2000 Haziran’\u0131nda\u00a0 \u201cDil Tarih K\u00fclt\u00fcr ve Ge\u00adlenekleriyle Lazlar\u201d adl\u0131 kita\u00adb\u0131 \u00e7\u0131kard\u0131n\u0131z. San\u0131r\u0131m Lazlara adanan T\u00fcrk\u00e7e yay\u0131nlanm\u0131\u015f ilk kitap?<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Evet, Lazlara adanm\u0131\u015f kitab\u0131md\u0131. (Ancak daha \u00f6nce de (1997) \u201cKafkasya\u2019dan Karadeniz\u2019e Lazlar\u0131n Tarihsel Yolculu\u011fu\u201d adl\u0131 bir kitab\u0131m yay\u0131nlanm\u0131\u015ft\u0131). Beni bu kitab\u0131 yazmaya iten sebep \u015fuy\u00addu; Do\u011fu Karadeniz’de Laz denen bir halk vard\u0131. Ama T\u00fcrkiye’de resm\u00ee ideolojinin yakla\u015f\u0131m\u0131 do\u011frultusunda Lazlara, nitelendirmelerde bulunuluyordu. Bu konuda ara\u015f\u00adt\u0131rma yap\u0131p bunun \u00f6yle olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131\u00adn\u0131, Lazlar\u0131n bu b\u00f6lgede ya\u015fayan en eski Kafkasya k\u00fclt\u00fcr k\u00f6kenli yerli halklardan oldu\u011fu\u00adnu g\u00f6rd\u00fcm.<\/p>\n Talip Kaynar<\/strong>: Ama bug\u00fcne kadar Lazlar denince akla Laz f\u0131kralar\u0131 ge\u00adliyordu, de\u011fil mi?<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz:<\/strong> Evet. F\u0131kralar bir zenginlik, ama onlar\u0131n sadece bu f\u0131kralarla an\u0131lmas\u0131 do\u011fru de\u011fil. Kitab\u0131m asl\u0131nda bir nebze buna cevapt\u0131.<\/p>\n Talip Kaynar<\/strong>: \u00a0Lazlara ili\u015fkin T\u00fcrkiye’de \u00e7ok fazla belge bulunmuyor. Bu kitab\u0131n\u0131zdaki bilgilere ula\u015fmada zorlanmad\u0131n\u0131z m\u0131?<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Tabii zorland\u0131m. Ama sab\u0131rl\u0131 yakla\u015ft\u0131m. Lazlarla ilgili bir\u00e7ok makaleyi toparlad\u0131m. 1964’te G\u00fcr\u00adcistan’da \u00e7\u0131kan \u201cLazlar\u0131n Tarihi\u201d adl\u0131 kitap 1992’de \u0130stanbul’da ya\u00ady\u0131nland\u0131. Bu kitaptan da faydalan\u00add\u0131m. Ama bu kitap \u00e7ok eski idi. Ve T\u00fcrkiye kaynaklar\u0131ndan da ya\u00adrarlanm\u0131yordu. T\u00fcrkiye’de yay\u0131n\u00adlanm\u0131\u015f \u00e7e\u015fitli makaleleri de bu kitaba koydum. \u0130\u00e7in\u00adde T\u00fcrk\u00e7e kar\u015f\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131 olan Lazca ke\u00adlime ve c\u00fcmlelere de yer veren, Lazlar\u0131n tarihini, k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fcn\u00fc anlatan bir eser ortaya \u00e7\u0131km\u0131\u015f oldu.<\/p>\n Talip Kaynar<\/strong>: \u00a0\u00a0<\/em>Eyl\u00fcl 2003’te de \u201cDo\u011fu Karadeniz’de Resm\u00ee \u0130deoloji\u00adlerin Ku\u015fatmas\u0131\u201d adl\u0131 kitab\u0131\u00adn\u0131z \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131. Bu kitaptan da bah\u00adseder misiniz?<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Son d\u00f6nemlerde farkl\u0131 k\u00fclt\u00fcrden ayd\u0131nlar k\u0131smen de olsa kendilerini ifade etmeye ba\u015flad\u0131. Ancak bunu yaparlarken de ba\u015fka resm\u00ee ideoloji\u00adlerin propagandas\u0131 yap\u0131l\u0131yor. Mesel\u00e2; yazar\u0131 \u00d6mer Asan olan \u201cPontus Tarihi\u201d adl\u0131 bir kitap yay\u0131nland\u0131. Bu arkada\u015f yazm\u0131\u015f ol\u00addu\u011fu kitapta b\u00fct\u00fcn Do\u011fu Kara\u00addeniz halk\u0131n\u0131 Helen \u0131rk\u0131na ba\u011fl\u0131yor. Ve Do\u011fu Karadeniz’de konu\u015fulan dillerin Helen dilinden geldi\u011fini s\u00f6ylemeye \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yor. Ben bunlara kar\u015f\u0131 \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131m bu kita\u00adb\u0131mda. Mesel\u00e2; Lazlara, G\u00fcrc\u00fcle\u00adre, Hem\u015finlilere Helen’dir de\u00admek yanl\u0131\u015f bir tutumdur. Bu kitab\u0131mla b\u00fct\u00fcn resm\u00ee ideolojileri ele\u015ftiriyorum.<\/p>\n Talip Kaynar<\/strong>: \u00a0\u00a0<\/em>T\u00fcrkiye’deki resm\u00ee ide\u00adolojinin yans\u0131mas\u0131n\u0131 nas\u0131l de\u011ferlendiriyorsunuz?<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Zaten \u015fu an ya\u015fad\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z en b\u00fcy\u00fck sorun T\u00fcrkiye\u2019deki farkl\u0131 k\u00fclt\u00fcrleri yok sayan resm\u00ee ideolojidir. Biz ayd\u0131n olabiliriz, bir k\u00fclt\u00fcre ait olabiliriz, ama farkl\u0131 k\u00fclt\u00fcrlere de kucak a\u00e7an bir yakla\u015f\u0131m\u0131m\u0131z olmal\u0131d\u0131r. Lazca da, \u0130spanya’n\u0131n bir da\u011f k\u00f6y\u00fcnde konu\u015fulan dil de \u00f6lme\u00adsin.<\/p>\n Talip Kaynar<\/strong>: Ayr\u0131ca \u201cAna dilde E\u011fitim Hakk\u0131 ve Az\u0131nl\u0131k Haklar\u0131\u201d adl\u0131 \u00e7al\u0131\u015fman\u0131z var, neden ihtiya\u00e7 duydunuz?<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: (Bu ortak bir \u00e7al\u0131\u015fma) T\u00fcrkiye’de ana dili konusunda b\u00fcy\u00fck bir kavram karma\u015fas\u0131 vard\u0131; ana dilde e\u011fitim, ana dili \u00f6\u011fretimi vb. gibi bir\u00e7ok kavram kullan\u0131l\u0131yordu. Bu kavramlar yeni tart\u0131\u015fma g\u00fcndemimize gir\u00admi\u015fti. Bu konulara a\u00e7\u0131kl\u0131k getiriyorum. Bu kitab\u0131 \u00e7\u0131karaca\u011f\u0131m\u0131z d\u00f6nemde, biliyorsunuz, TRT farkl\u0131 dillerde yay\u0131n yapma karar\u0131 al\u00adm\u0131\u015ft\u0131. Ama baz\u0131 dillerde yay\u0131n yapmad\u0131. Bunlardan bir tanesi de Lazca\u2019d\u0131r. Lazca bu topraklar\u0131n en eski dillerinden bir tanesidir. Kitapta TRT’nin Lazca yay\u0131n yapma konusunda karar almas\u0131 gerekti\u011fine de de\u011findim. Benim fikrimi sorarsan\u0131z, \u015fu an T\u00fcrki\u00adye’de T\u00fcrk\u00e7e d\u0131\u015f\u0131nda hi\u00e7bir ana dil\u00adde e\u011fitim yap\u0131labilece\u011fi d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00adcesinde de\u011filim. T\u00fcrk\u00e7e olarak da \u00e7ok sa\u011fl\u0131kl\u0131 bir e\u011fitim verildi\u011fine inanm\u0131yorum.<\/p>\n Talip Kaynar<\/strong>: Bundan sonra \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131n\u0131z olacak m\u0131? Hangi \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u00admalar olacak bunlar?<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Bundan sonra \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131m\u0131z tabii ki var. Kolkhoba.org sitesin\u00addeki haber portal\u0131 \u00fczerinden \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u00admalar\u0131m\u0131z s\u00fcrecek. Ayr\u0131ca TRT’de Lazca yay\u0131n yap\u0131lmas\u0131 konusunda onlara yard\u0131mc\u0131 olmak istiyoruz. Bu y\u00f6nl\u00fc \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131m s\u00fcrecek. Ayr\u0131ca, bundan sonra an\u0131lar\u0131m\u0131 Lazca yazmak istiyorum. Ve www.hopam.com sitesindeki k\u00fclt\u00fcr sanat sayfas\u0131na yaz\u0131 yazmaya ba\u015f\u00adlad\u0131m.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":" Ali İhsan Aksamaz [Doğu Karadeniz bölgesi denince herkesin aklına Lazlar gelir. Fakat Lazlar bugüne kadar hep komik fıkralarla anıla gelmişlerdir. Araştırmacı-yazar Ali İhsan Aksamaz ise Lazların köklü bir tarih, kültür ve dil zenginliğine sahip bu coğrafyanın yerli halkı olduğunu yaptığı araştırma ve kitaplarıyla belgelemeye çalışıyor. Aksamaz ile çıkardığı kitaplar ve Lazların durumunu konuştuk.( Talip Kaynar)] 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[Kaynak: \u00d6zg\u00fcr G\u00fcndem Gazetesi, 13 Haziran 2006, \u0130stanbul]<\/h4>\n