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Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n [\u00d6n a\u00e7\u0131klama<\/strong>: A. Cengiz B\u00fcker\u2019i, y\u0131llar \u00f6nce Lazca dersler verdi\u011fim dernekte, Kad\u0131k\u00f6y AKA – DER\u2019de 2012 y\u0131l\u0131nda tan\u0131d\u0131m. Ba\u015far\u0131l\u0131 \u00f6\u011frencilerimden biriydi. \u00c7o\u011funlukla internet \u00fczerinden de olsa ba\u011flant\u0131m\u0131z uzun y\u0131llard\u0131r devam ediyor. A. Cengiz B\u00fcker\u2019in, yak\u0131n zamanda bir kitab\u0131 yay\u0131mland\u0131: \u201cBiny\u0131llar G\u00fcne\u015f \u00dclkesi\u201d. Ne yaz\u0131k ki hen\u00fcz kitab\u0131n\u0131 okuyamad\u0131m. Ancak mutlaka okuyaca\u011f\u0131m. A. Cengiz B\u00fcker ile bir s\u00f6yle\u015fi yapt\u0131m. Biyografisi, di\u011fer k\u00fclt\u00fcrel \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131, bu yeni kitab\u0131 ile yeni projelerine ili\u015fkin konu\u015ftuk 25. VI. 2024, Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz]<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Biliyorum, kendinizden bahsetmeyi pek sevmiyorsunuz. Ancak ben yine de soraca\u011f\u0131m. Kendinizi tan\u0131t\u0131r m\u0131s\u0131n\u0131z? Nerede, ne zaman do\u011fdunuz? Hangi okullarda \u00f6\u011frenim g\u00f6rd\u00fcn\u00fcz? Mesle\u011finiz ve \u00e7al\u0131\u015fma hayat\u0131n\u0131zdan bahseder misiniz? Hangi dilleri biliyorsunuz?<\/p>\n A. Cengiz B\u00fcker<\/strong>: Ger\u00e7ekten, kendimden s\u00f6z etmeyi sevmem, ama yine de kitaplar\u0131m\u0131 ve ba\u015fka yaz\u0131lar\u0131m\u0131 haz\u0131rlarken, belki de t\u00fcm yazarlar gibi, anlatt\u0131\u011f\u0131m kendimdir. San\u0131yorum ki, insanlar konu\u015fmay\u0131, dilleri, yaz\u0131 yazmay\u0131 asl\u0131nda hep, dayan\u0131lmaz bir \u201ckendilerini anlatabilmek iste\u011fi\u201d ile yaratm\u0131\u015flar, icat etmi\u015flerdir. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc bence, herkesin evreni (eski dilde \u201ck\u00e2inat\u201d ya da felsefe dilinde \u201cvarolu\u015f\/var-olma\u201d) ancak kendisiyle vard\u0131r. Neyse, bunu kitab\u0131mda anlatmaya \u00f6nem verdim; ama zor\u2026 Sorular\u0131n\u0131z\u0131n yan\u0131t\u0131na gelince: \u0130stanbul do\u011fumluyum. Hemen b\u00fct\u00fcn T\u00fcrkiye insanlar\u0131 gibi, dedelerimden gerisini bilemem \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc belki de sekizinci y\u00fczy\u0131ldan bu yana, Hint ve \u00c7in k\u00fclt\u00fcrlerinden de etki alan \u0130sl\u00e2m anlay\u0131\u015f\u0131na ba\u011fl\u0131 olarak, insanlar g\u00fc\u00e7l\u00fc olana itaat etmek gibi bir sistemle toplumlar ve topluluklar olu\u015fturdular, yani \u00f6rne\u011fin Cengiz Han\u2019a ba\u011fl\u0131 olanlar, hangi \u0131rktan ya da hangi soydan olursa olsun \u201cCengizli\u201d say\u0131ld\u0131. Asl\u0131nda t\u00fcm d\u00fcnyada da bu b\u00f6yledir. Soy ve soyad\u0131 kavram\u0131 ancak on sekizinci y\u00fczy\u0131ldan sonra Bat\u0131 Avrupa k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fcnde \u00f6nem kazand\u0131. Ne var ki, H\u0131ristiyan dini nedeniyle, asl\u0131nda pek de sistematik olmayan Kilise Kay\u0131tlar\u0131 az \u00e7ok genetik zinciri bilmeye yard\u0131m ediyorsa da, bunlar daha \u00e7ok hukuksal ve kuramsal bir \u201c\u015fecere\u201d anlay\u0131\u015f\u0131d\u0131r bence. Demem o ki, insanlar birbirine \u00f6ylesine kar\u0131\u015fm\u0131\u015flar ki, bilimsel ve ussal bir \u201c\u0131rk\u00e7\u0131l\u0131k\u201d m\u00fcmk\u00fcn de\u011fildir. Hatta son bulu\u015flar ve ara\u015ft\u0131rmalar g\u00f6steriyor ki, (\u00f6zellikle) Avrupa\u2019da Homo Sapiens ile Homo Neandertalis uzun s\u00fcreler birlikte ve hem k\u00fclt\u00fcrel hem \u0131rksal olarak birbirine kar\u0131\u015farak ya\u015fam\u0131\u015flard\u0131r. Dolay\u0131s\u0131yla insanlar\u0131 b\u00f6lmek ve \u0131rk\u00e7\u0131l\u0131k yapmak bilimsel de de\u011fildir, insansal da de\u011fildir, bence\u2026 Ben \u0130stanbul do\u011fumluyum, ama ne az\u0131nl\u0131klar ne de sarayl\u0131lar gibi bir \u00f6zelli\u011fim yok. Anne taraf\u0131m \u201cDoksan \u00dc\u00e7 Harbi\u201d denen b\u00fcy\u00fck s\u00fcrg\u00fcn s\u0131ras\u0131nda bu tarafa ka\u00e7abilenlerden\u2026 Ben kendimi Atat\u00fcrk\u2019\u00fcn tan\u0131mlad\u0131\u011f\u0131 bi\u00e7imde T\u00fcrk sayar\u0131m ve T\u00fcrkl\u00fc\u011f\u00fcmle de \u00f6v\u00fcn\u00fcr\u00fcm. Ama bu, benim t\u00fcm d\u00fcnya insanlar\u0131n\u0131 sevmemi ve karde\u015f bilmemi engellemiyor, -b\u00fcy\u00fck yan\u0131lmalar\u0131na \u015fahit olsam da-. Bence, ki bilim de b\u00f6yle s\u00f6yl\u00fcyor, insanl\u0131k bir b\u00fct\u00fcnd\u00fcr; buna h\u00fcmanizm diyebilirsiniz\u2026 (Ger\u00e7i bu terimin de tan\u0131m\u0131 gerek, \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc pek \u00e7ok anlamlarda kullan\u0131lagelmi\u015ftir)\u2026 Do\u011fum tarihim ise 25 Ocak 1942; gece sabaha kar\u015f\u0131 d\u00fcnyaya gelmi\u015fim, n\u00fcfusa kayd\u0131m ise ertesi g\u00fcn… O y\u0131llarda \u00e7ocuklar yedi ya\u015f\u0131nda okula giderdi; ama beni gazete okur ve b\u00fcy\u00fcklerle tart\u0131\u015f\u0131r g\u00f6r\u00fcnce, alt\u0131 ya\u015f\u0131nda iken Beyaz\u0131t \u0130kinci \u0130lkokula yazd\u0131rd\u0131lar. Memduha \u00f6\u011fretmeni unutmuyorum. Ama okula uyumum pek de kolay olmad\u0131. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc onlar daha harfleri s\u00f6kerken ben sessiz okuyordum, onlarsa benim okudu\u011fuma inanm\u0131yorlard\u0131; arkada\u015fs\u0131zl\u0131\u011fa ve yaln\u0131zl\u0131\u011fa orada al\u0131\u015ft\u0131m. Hem boyca bos\u00e7a hem de g\u00fc\u00e7 kuvvet y\u00f6n\u00fcnden olduk\u00e7a farkl\u0131yd\u0131m, s\u0131n\u0131f arkada\u015flar\u0131mdan. \u00dc\u00e7\u00fcnc\u00fc s\u0131n\u0131fta babam Fatih Okumu\u015f Adam soka\u011f\u0131nda ev sat\u0131n al\u0131nca, ben de ister istemez Fatih Ta\u015fmektep\u2019e ge\u00e7tim, \u00f6\u011fretmenim Rag\u0131ba Han\u0131m idi\u2026 D\u00f6rd\u00fcnc\u00fc s\u0131n\u0131fta bir Abla\u2019n\u0131n okul d\u0131\u015f\u0131 son s\u0131n\u0131flara g\u00f6n\u00fcll\u00fc ders vermesiyle \u0130ngilizce ile tan\u0131\u015ft\u0131m; asl\u0131nda bu kurs yaln\u0131zca be\u015fler i\u00e7indi, ama bana fazla ak\u0131ll\u0131 diye \u00f6\u011fretmenlerim k\u0131yak yapt\u0131lar, sa\u011folsunlar\u2026 Ortay\u0131, Liseyi \u201cVef\u00e2 Lisesi\u2019nde\u201d okudum\u2026 Uzun hik\u00e2ye\u2026 1961 y\u0131l\u0131nda kazand\u0131\u011f\u0131m bir\u00e7ok Fak\u00fclte s\u0131nav\u0131 aras\u0131ndan T\u0131bbiye\u2019yi se\u00e7tim. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc bilimlere a\u015f\u0131r\u0131 bir a\u00e7l\u0131\u011f\u0131m vard\u0131. (\u0130stanbul) T\u0131p Fak\u00fcltesinde okurken birka\u00e7 lisan da \u00f6\u011frendim, hele Rus\u00e7a da \u00f6\u011frenmeye kalkmam baya\u011f\u0131 sorun olmu\u015ftu. Zaten lisedeyken kendi kendime gizli gizli Almanca, Latince, S\u0131rp\u00e7a -s\u0131n\u0131ftaki bir Yugoslav g\u00f6\u00e7meni ile dost olmu\u015ftum, ayr\u0131ca kendi kendime say\u0131l\u0131r, \u0130spanyolca da \u00f6\u011frendim. \u00c7\u0131lg\u0131n gibi dil kitaplar\u0131 sat\u0131n al\u0131yordum, bu benim sanki hobim olmu\u015ftu.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Birka\u00e7 dil biliyorsunuz. Bize bu dilleri nas\u0131l \u00f6\u011frendi\u011finizi s\u00f6yler misiniz? Son yay\u0131nlanan kitab\u0131n\u0131zdan bahsedece\u011fiz. Daha \u00f6nce yay\u0131nlanm\u0131\u015f kitaplar\u0131n\u0131zdan, makalelerinizden, k\u00fclt\u00fcrel \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131n\u0131zdan bahseder misiniz?<\/p>\n A. Cengiz B\u00fcker<\/strong>: Tam olarak \u0130ngilizce, Almanca, \u0130spanyolca\u2026 bildi\u011fimi s\u00f6yleyebilirim. Ama farkl\u0131 derecelerde \u201canlad\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u201d ya da \u201cyabanc\u0131 olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u201d dillerin say\u0131s\u0131n\u0131 ben de bilmiyorum. Daha \u00f6nce yay\u0131nlanm\u0131\u015f kitaplar\u0131m\u0131n \u00e7o\u011fu \u00e7eviri. \u00c7eviriyi seviyorum, hem istedi\u011finizi s\u00f6yl\u00fcyorsunuz, hem de pek sorumluluk y\u00fcklenmi\u015f olmuyorsunuz, \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc insanlar s\u00f6ylediklerinden sorumludurlar. T\u0131psal yaz\u0131lar\u0131m var, yerli ve yabanc\u0131 medikal dergilerde\u2026 \u015eiirlerim, k\u00fclt\u00fcrel yaz\u0131lar\u0131m var; ama bu konu biraz bence \u00fcz\u00fcc\u00fc oldu\u011fu i\u00e7in, dilerseniz, bunu ba\u015fka bir zamana saklayal\u0131m!<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Bilebildi\u011fim kadar\u0131yla, \u00e7ok y\u00f6nl\u00fc bir insans\u0131n\u0131z. \u0130nsan sevgisiyle dolusunuz. Renkli bir ki\u015fili\u011finiz var. Vicdan sahibisiniz. Adaletsizli\u011fe kar\u015f\u0131s\u0131n\u0131z. \u0130nsanl\u0131k nereye gidiyor? Ekme\u011fin, kentlerde karneyle verildi\u011fi y\u0131llarda do\u011fdunuz. Her evde bir telefonun olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131 bir d\u00fcnyada b\u00fcy\u00fcd\u00fcn\u00fcz. Radyo yay\u0131nlar\u0131 parazitliydi. Televizyon yoktu.\u00a0\u00a0\u015eimdi herkesin elinde bir cep telefonu. \u00c7ok k\u0131sa bir s\u00fcre i\u00e7inde her alanda hayat\u0131n bir\u00e7ok paradigma de\u011fi\u015fikli\u011fine de tan\u0131k oldunuz. B\u00fct\u00fcn bunlar\u0131 nas\u0131l de\u011ferlendiriyorsunuz? K\u00f6yler kent mi oldu? Kentler k\u00f6y m\u00fc oldu? Kentli mi olduk? K\u00f6yl\u00fc m\u00fc oldu? \u0130nsanl\u0131\u011f\u0131n yar\u0131nlar\u0131n\u0131 nas\u0131l g\u00f6r\u00fcyorsunuz?<\/p>\n A. Cengiz B\u00fcker<\/strong>: Beni tan\u0131mlarken kulland\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z, bir anlamda g\u00fczel, ama asl\u0131nda ger\u00e7ek olan s\u00f6zlerinize \u00e7ok te\u015fekk\u00fcr ederim. Ben pek anlatmadan, benim duygular\u0131m\u0131 inceleyip sezdi\u011finiz belli oluyor. \u0130lginize ve i\u00e7ten arkada\u015fl\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131za ger\u00e7ekten minnettar\u0131m, sa\u011f olun! Parazitli radyodan s\u00f6z ediyorsunuz, aram\u0131zda kals\u0131n, ben T\u00fcrkiye Cumhuriyetine \u201cradyo\u201dnun geldi\u011fini, \u00e7o\u011fu kimsenin y\u0131llarca \u201cg\u00fcn\u00e2h\u201d diye evine radyo sokmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 ve zaten radyonun ancak \u00f6zel ruhsatla kullan\u0131labildi\u011fini g\u00f6rm\u00fc\u015f\u00fcm\u2026 Anten i\u015fi de b\u00fcy\u00fck sorundu\u2026 T\u00fcrkiye \u00e7ok de\u011fi\u015fti; asl\u0131nda d\u00fcnya de\u011fi\u015fti. Derler ki, \u201dde\u011fi\u015fmeyen tek \u015fey de\u011fi\u015fimdir\u201d derler\u2026 Ama son y\u00fczy\u0131l i\u00e7inde de\u011fi\u015fimin ivmesi, ger\u00e7ekten, insan zihninin s\u0131n\u0131rlar\u0131n\u0131 zorlayacak denli artt\u0131 diyebiliriz.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Yak\u0131n zamanda bir kitab\u0131n\u0131z yay\u0131mland\u0131: Biny\u0131llar G\u00fcne\u015f \u00dclkesi\u201d. Hen\u00fcz kitab\u0131n\u0131z\u0131 okuyamad\u0131m. Bu kitab\u0131n\u0131za ili\u015fkin sormak istiyorum. Kitab\u0131n\u0131z tam olarak ne zaman yay\u0131mland\u0131? Bir yay\u0131nevinden mi \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131? Kendi \u00f6zel yay\u0131n\u0131n\u0131z m\u0131? Bu kitab\u0131n\u0131z\u0131n tiraj\u0131 hakk\u0131nda bilgi verebilir misiniz? Okuyucular, kitab\u0131n\u0131z\u0131 nas\u0131l edinebilirler?<\/p>\n A. Cengiz B\u00fcker<\/strong>: Sizden tek bir ricam var: L\u00fctfen, siz \u201cBiny\u0131llar G\u00fcne\u015f \u00dclkesi\u201d adl\u0131 roman\u0131m\u0131 okuduktan sonra, ama okumadan \u00f6nce biraz Tommaso Campanella\u2019n\u0131n \u201cG\u00fcne\u015f \u00dclkesi\u201d \u00fctopik roman\u0131n\u0131 da incelemelisiniz\u2026 Ha, okuduktan sonra kesinlikle (mutlaka) bu s\u00f6yle\u015fiyi yinelemeliyiz diye d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: \u015eimdi de kitab\u0131n\u0131za ili\u015fkin sormak istiyorum. K\u0131saca kitab\u0131n\u0131z\u0131n i\u00e7eri\u011finden bahseder misiniz? Kitab\u0131n\u0131z\u0131n kapa\u011f\u0131nda \u201cbilimkurgusal felsefe roman\u0131\u201d diyor. Ancak kapak foto\u011fraf\u0131 bende farkl\u0131 \u00e7a\u011fr\u0131\u015f\u0131mlar uyand\u0131rd\u0131. O sebeple ben yine de sorma ihtiyac\u0131 hissediyorum.\u00a0\u00a0Otobiyografik bir \u00e7al\u0131\u015fma m\u0131? Son h\u0131zl\u0131 teknolojik geli\u015fmeler ve insanl\u0131\u011fa olumlu- olumsuz etkilerine ili\u015fkin bir \u00e7al\u0131\u015fma m\u0131? \u0130nsanl\u0131\u011f\u0131n bug\u00fcnk\u00fc durumunu felsef\u00ee bir yakla\u015f\u0131mla m\u0131 anlat\u0131yorsunuz? \u0130nsanl\u0131\u011f\u0131n ge\u00e7mi\u015ften bug\u00fcne evrimi, toplumsal geli\u015fimi, do\u011faya h\u00e2kim olmas\u0131 s\u00fcreci ve sonras\u0131ndaki \u00fcretim, m\u00fclkiyet ve payla\u015f\u0131m ili\u015fkilerini mi irdeliyorsunuz? \u0130nsanl\u0131\u011f\u0131n gelece\u011fine ili\u015fkin \u00f6ng\u00f6r\u00fclerde mi bulunuyorsunuz?<\/p>\n A. Cengiz B\u00fcker<\/strong>: Kitab\u0131m, k\u0131saca, bir romand\u0131r. Bizim k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fcm\u00fczde, bunca devrime kar\u015f\u0131n, roman h\u00e2l\u00e2 yad\u0131rgan\u0131r. Oysa Bat\u0131 K\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fc zannedilen, ama asl\u0131nda \u0130nsanl\u0131k K\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fc olan bug\u00fcnk\u00fc Avrupa\u2019da teorik olarak ya\u015fand\u0131\u011f\u0131 san\u0131lan k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fc yaratan en b\u00fcy\u00fck etken \u201cyaz\u0131n\u201dd\u0131r\u2026 Yani \u201cedebiyat\u201dt\u0131r. Roman ise edebiyat\u2019\u0131n en ileri dal\u0131d\u0131r. T\u0131pk\u0131 operan\u0131n m\u00fczi\u011fin en ileri dal\u0131 olu\u015fu gibi. Homeros\u2019un destan dedi\u011fimiz romanlar\u0131 olmasayd\u0131, bug\u00fcn ne Greko- Romen k\u00fclt\u00fcr olurdu, ne R\u00f6nesans olurdu, ne de H\u00fcmanizm(ler) olurdu. Son d\u00f6nemdeki ilerlemede Don Ki\u015fot\u2019tan ba\u015flayan k\u0131rk elli roman neredeyse uygarl\u0131\u011f\u0131n yap\u0131 ta\u015flar\u0131 olmu\u015flar, d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnen insanlar\u0131n diyaloglar\u0131n\u0131 sa\u011flam\u0131\u015flard\u0131r. \u201cBindokuzy\u00fczseksend\u00f6rt\u201d demeden, \u201c(Cesur) Yeni D\u00fcnya\u201d demeden, \u201cHayvanlar \u00c7iftli\u011fi\u201d demeden ne sosyoloji yapabilirsiniz, ne felsefe, hatt\u00e2 ne de siyaset. De\u011fil mi? \u0130\u015fte ben de roman\u0131m\u0131, en az\u0131ndan bu tan\u0131nm\u0131\u015f b\u00fcy\u00fck romanlar d\u00fczeyinde g\u00f6r\u00fcyorum. \u00c7ok satan falan olmak istemiyorum, istedi\u011fim tek \u015fey okunmakt\u0131r. Hemen anla\u015f\u0131lmay\u0131 da beklemiyorum, ama ele\u015ftirel de olsa, ilgi ve d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnme kazanmak istiyorum. Y\u00e2ni insanlar d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcns\u00fcnler, d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcncemi dinlesinler, benim daha da d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnmeme olanak versinler\u2026 Beni de\u011fil, d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnmemi, d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnmeyi desteklesinler, umut ve dile\u011fim budur.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Kitab\u0131n\u0131za neden \u201cBiny\u0131llar G\u00fcne\u015f \u00dclkesi\u201d ad\u0131n\u0131 verdiniz?<\/p>\n A. Cengiz B\u00fcker<\/strong>: \u00c7ok basit: Tommaso Campanella\u2019n\u0131n \u201cG\u00fcne\u015f \u00dclkesi (Latince ba\u015fl\u0131\u011f\u0131:\u00a0Civitas Solis<\/em>, \u0130talyanca ba\u015fl\u0131\u011f\u0131:\u00a0La Citt\u00e0 del Sole<\/em>)\u201d adl\u0131, Thomas More\u2019un yaratt\u0131\u011f\u0131 \u00dctopya gelene\u011fine uygun kitab\u0131na \u201cnazire \/ benzetme\u201d olsun diye bu ad\u0131 verdim. Demek ki, kendimi bu zincire, \u00fctopya zincirine, bir son halka olarak eklemeyi d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnm\u00fc\u015f de olabilirim. Ayr\u0131ca Fizik bilimindeki, \u00e7ok h\u0131zl\u0131 bir ilerleme g\u00f6steren, son \u00e7arp\u0131c\u0131 bulu\u015flar\u0131n da hevesimi kam\u00e7\u0131lad\u0131\u011f\u0131 bir ger\u00e7ektir; \u00f6yle ki, bildiklerimi g\u00f6rd\u00fcklerimi anlatmasam sanki kendimi su\u00e7lu duyumsayacakt\u0131m.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Art\u0131k yava\u015f yava\u015f s\u00f6yle\u015fimizin sonuna geliyoruz. Bu son kitab\u0131n\u0131z \u00e7izgisinde yeni kitap projeleriniz var m\u0131? S\u00f6ylemek ister misiniz?<\/p>\n A. Cengiz B\u00fcker<\/strong>: \u00c7ok var\u2026 Ama bunun i\u00e7in biraz \u00f6mre, biraz paraya, biraz da zamana gereksinim duyuyorum.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Zaman ay\u0131rd\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z i\u00e7in te\u015fekk\u00fcr ederim. Benim sormad\u0131\u011f\u0131m ancak sizin bahsetmek istedi\u011finiz ba\u015fka konular varsa, l\u00fctfen onlar\u0131 da bizimle payla\u015f\u0131n. Sa\u011fl\u0131cakla kal\u0131n<\/p>\n A. Cengiz B\u00fcker<\/strong>: Eseme, lojik, mant\u0131k ile belirlenen, \u201cus, ak\u0131l, razon\u201d dedi\u011fimiz, en ulu \u201cvarolu\u015f arma\u011fan\u0131na\u201d de\u011fer verilmedi\u011fi bir d\u00f6nem ya\u015far gibiyiz. Ben bunun ge\u00e7ici oldu\u011funu d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum. Ama do\u011fru yolu nas\u0131l bulaca\u011f\u0131z diye, var olan anlams\u0131z bir karma\u015fan\u0131n i\u00e7ine girmemek i\u00e7in insanlara, oturup d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnmelerini \u00f6neriyorum. Meditasyon da bir t\u00fcr d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fc\u015ft\u00fcr ama o akl\u0131 i\u015fletmek i\u00e7in de\u011fil, dinlendirmek i\u00e7in i\u015fe yar\u0131yor. Ger\u00e7ek eylem, \u00e7ok yorulmak de\u011fil, \u00e7ok yapmak da de\u011fil\u2026 Ger\u00e7ek eylem, bence, d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnmektir. Mutlulu\u011fu yaratan yol, bence, budur. Sayg\u0131lar\u0131mla.<\/p>\n [\u00d6nerilen okumalar<\/strong>: Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz, \u201cBirinci Basamak Lazca Dersleri Kursunu Tamamlad\u0131k\u201d, 12. V. 2013, yusufbulut.com\/ sonhaber.ch\/ circassiancenter.com.tr; \u201cLaz Dili Temel Dersleri\u201d, 1. Bask\u0131, Lazika Yay\u0131n Kollektifi, 2013, 2. Bask\u0131, Belge Yay\u0131nlar\u0131, \u0130stanbul, 2016; \u201cLazca i\u00e7in ders kitab\u0131 haz\u0131r\u201d,\u00a0\u00a011. XI. 2013 hurriyet.com.tr; Murat Karadeniz: \u201cGazete No\u011fa\u2019y\u0131 tamamen Lazca yay\u0131nlad\u0131k!\u201d, 14. III. 2022, sonhaber.ch\/ circassiancenter.com.tr; \u201cAnadolu K\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fc Kad\u0131k\u00f6y\u2019de ya\u015f\u0131yor, 1 XI 2012, gazetekadikoy.com. tr]<\/p>\n +<\/p>\n \u201cRomani n\u00e7\u0306araloba\u015fi iri\u015fen \u0292\u0306oxlemxtimu no\u0292\u0306ile ren!\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n [Go\u0292\u0306otkvala<\/strong>: Ma A. Cengiz Bukeri dovi\u00e7ini dido \u0292\u0306anape\u015f \u0292\u0306oxle 2012 \u0292\u0306anas, derne\u011fis, Kadikoy AKA- DERi-s, so namep\u00e7apt\u0306i Lazuri dersepe. Gecgineri mamgurepe \u00e7kimi\u015fen arteri rt\u0306u. Didopeten int\u0306ernet\u0306iten rt\u0306asnati, dido \u0292\u0306anape\u015fen doni irtibati komi\u011funan. T\u0306okseri A. Cengiz Bukeri\u015fi ar ketabi kogamaxtu: \u201cvit\u0306o\u015f\u0292\u0306anapeten Mjora\u015fi Dobadona\u201d. Guri\u015fme\u00e7\u0306voni ren a\u0292\u0306i\u015fa va mak\u0306itxu ketabi mu\u015fi. Mara illaki dovik\u0306itxaminon. A. Cengiz Bukeri k\u0306ala b\u011far\u011fali. Doxmeli skidala mu\u015fi, majura k\u0306ult\u0306uruli no\u00e7ali\u015fepe mu\u015fi, aya a\u011fani ketabi mu\u015fi do a\u011fani p\u0306rojepe mu\u015fi\u015fen \u00e7\u0306it\u0306a- \u00e7\u0306it\u0306a b\u011far\u011falit. 25. VI. 2024, Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi]<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi<\/strong>: K\u0306aixe\u015fa komi\u00e7kin, tkvan ti-tkvani\u015fen mola\u015finu k\u0306ai va gi\u0292\u0306onunan, e\u015fo mi\u00e7kin ma. Mara xoloti tkvan ar- jur mutu gk\u0306itxat. Ti- tkvani domo\u00e7inopit. So, mundes dibadit? Mu n\u0292\u0306opulapes igurit? Mesle\u011fi do no\u00e7ali\u015fepe tkvani\u015fen molami\u015finit? Mu nenape gi\u00e7kinan?<\/p>\n A. Cengiz Bukeri<\/strong>: Tkvan mtini zop\u0306ont, ti- \u00e7kimi\u015fen molap\u015fina, eya va mom\u0292\u0306ons, mara xoloti ketabepe do majura no\u00e7\u0306arepe \u00e7kimi pxazira\u015fakis, gonepti, oxo\u0292\u0306onapu naminon ti-\u00e7kimi ren, mis a\u00e7kinen, majura m\u00e7\u0306arupe steri. Mtini dogi\u0292\u0306vatna, k\u0306o\u00e7epes irote ti- mutepe\u015finart\u0306usteri mskva\u015fa oxo\u0292\u0306onapu unt\u0306erenan, emu\u015feniti am gagnapaten o\u011far\u011falu, nenape, no\u00e7\u0306ara do\u0292\u0306opxerenan, e\u015fo doma\u0292\u0306onen, e\u015fo matkven. Toli \u00e7kimiten, iri\u015fi \u201ckyainati\u201d, varna felsefe\u015fi nenaten oqopumu xvala ti- mu\u015fi k\u0306ala koren. Murenna e\u015fo, ketabi \u00e7kimiten antepe oxo\u0292\u0306onapu\u015fi gza kogebdgiti. Mara dido m\u00e7\u0306ireli dulya ren aya. Ayati gi\u0292\u0306vat\u2026 A\u0292\u0306iti nena gegiktirat: \u0130st\u0306anbolis dovibadi. E\u015fo gi\u0292\u0306vat, Turkiye\u015fi majura k\u0306o\u00e7epe steri, mati p\u0306ap\u0306ulepe \u00e7kimi\u015fen \u0292\u0306oxleni mzaxalepe \u00e7kimi va vi\u00e7inop, va mi\u00e7kin; emu\u015feniki, gonepti, maovrani o\u015f\u0292\u0306anura\u015fen doni, Hinduri do \u00c7inuri k\u0306ult\u0306urepe\u015fenti tesiri naaqu \u0130slamuri gagnapa\u015fa mek\u0306irelixe\u015fa, menceloni\u015fa ti gendrik\u0306u steri ar sist\u0306emiten lamtinalepe do ok\u0306ob\u011falepe do\u0292\u0306opxes k\u0306o\u00e7epek. Am no\u0292\u0306irenitenti gi\u0292\u0306vat; Cengiz Xani\u015fa mek\u0306ireli mteli k\u0306o\u00e7epe, mu cinsi do di\u0292xiri\u015fen t\u0306estina Cengizi\u015fi mileti\u015fen i\u015finet\u0306u. Man aya dulya a\u015fo komi\u00e7kin do a\u015fo matkven. A\u0292\u0306i mtini bzop\u0306onna, mteli dunyasti aya dulya a\u015fo ren.\u00a0Cinsi do cinsi\u015fcoxo steri t\u0306erimepe, Gyulva Avrop\u0306as, maovrani o\u015f\u0292\u0306anu\u015fk\u0306ule, beciti diqu. Mara Xrist\u0306iyanoba\u015fi cera\u015fi guri\u015feni,\u00a0\u00a0mtini gi\u0292\u0306vatna, ek\u0306onariti sist\u0306emat\u0306uri navart\u0306u K\u0306ilise\u015fi k\u0306ayidepek e\u015fo varna a\u015fo genet\u0306ik\u0306uri k\u0306eremuli oxo\u0292\u0306onus memi\u015fvels. Nagi\u0292\u0306umert k\u0306ayidepe beciti ren mara xoloti huk\u0306uk\u0306uri do teoriuli \u015fecere\u015fi gagnapa\u015fen gamaxtimeri ren, ma a\u015fo mi\u00e7kin. Mtini gi\u0292\u0306vatna, ma otkvalu minon, k\u0306o\u00e7epe artimajura k\u0306ala ek\u0306o oxokteri renanki ilmuri do rasyonaluri gagnapaten noseri \u00e7kar miti razizmi\u015fi gzas var gedgitasen. Emu\u015fkule, didopeten Avrop\u0306as,\u00a0\u00a0dido gin\u017ee oras homo sap\u0306iensi k\u0306ala neandert\u0306alisi artotxe\u015fa ar k\u0306ele k\u0306ult\u0306urulixe\u015fa, majura k\u0306ele di\u0292xirixe\u015fa artimajura\u015fa oxokteri skides, \u00e7odinuri icadepe do go\u015fogorapek \u00e7kin e\u015fo mo\u0292\u0306irapan a\u0292\u0306i. Emu\u015feniti k\u0306o\u00e7inoba gamak\u0306atu do razizmi varti ilmuri, varti k\u0306o\u00e7inuri ren, a\u015fo mi\u00e7kin\u2026 Ma \u0130st\u0306anbolis dovibadi mara varti etnik\u0306uri, varti sarayk\u0306o\u00e7epe\u015fi gagnapa mi\u011fun. Nana \u00e7kimi\u015fi \u0292\u0306oxleni mzaxalepe \u201c9\u0292 Harbi\u201d-\u015fen mt\u0306ineri muhacirepe\u015fi oca\u011fepe\u015fen arteri renan\u2026 Mu\u00e7\u0306o Ataturkik tku, mati ti-\u00e7kimi e\u015fo Turki p\u015finap do Turkoba \u00e7kimiten vim\u0292kver. Mara aya gagnapa ti-\u00e7kimi \u015feni endoli va ren, dido p\u0306at\u0306i xalepe b\u017eirop tina, xoloti dunya\u015fi mteli k\u0306o\u00e7epes p\u0306qorop, xoloti mteli k\u0306o\u00e7epe cuma \u00e7kimi p\u015finap. \u00c7kimi toliten, ilimikti e\u015fo mi\u0292\u0306umernan, k\u0306o\u00e7inoba ar didi oca\u011fi ren, amus humanizma gatkvenan \u2026 (Mtini gi\u0292\u0306vat, aya t\u0306erimis, humanizmas ku\u011fun \u00e7kvado\u00e7kva maanape. Aya t\u0306erimi naixmars iri k\u0306o\u00e7ik aya t\u0306erimi \u00e7kvado\u00e7kva maanapeten ixmar. Emu\u015feniti aya t\u0306erimi\u015fi m\u0292xade maana ipti mi\u00e7kit\u0306an)\u2026 25 \u0292\u0306ana\u011fani 1942 \u0292\u0306anas, \u00e7\u0306umani k\u0306ele dovibadere, nufusi\u015fi k\u0306ayidi \u00e7kimi ek\u0306uleni nd\u011fas xveneri ren…\u00a0Em \u0292\u0306anapes, berepe \u015fkvit \u0292\u0306aneri iqves\u015fi, n\u0292\u0306opula\u015fa ulut\u0306es,\u00a0\u00a0iguramt\u0306es. Emorape\u015fi adeti e\u015fo rt\u0306u do emu\u015feni. Ma an\u015fi \u0292\u0306aneri vort\u0306i mara gazeta vik\u0306itxupt\u0306u, didilepe k\u0306ala int\u0306elekt\u0306ualuri meselepe\u015fen ma\u011far\u011falet\u0306u. Didilepek aya xali \u00e7kimi ko\u017eiru\u015fi, ma astaxolo mamgure dom\u0292\u0306opxes.\u00a0A\u00e7kva Beyazit- Majurani \u0130lkmektebis mamgure vort\u0306i. Memduha coxoni ar mamgurapale komiqonut\u0306es. Memduha Xanumi \u00e7kar va gomo\u00e7\u0306k\u0306ondun, ordo ordo goma\u015finen.\u00a0\u00a0Mara n\u0292\u0306opulas majurape steri e\u015fo ar\u015fvacis var oxovam\u00e7\u0306k\u0306i, entepe k\u0306ala va maxvenu entepe \u00e7kimi k\u0306ala va axvenes.\u00a0\u00a0Majura mamgurepek boncape\u015fi oguru \u015feni gzalepe gorupt\u0306es\u015fi, ma \u00e7kimeburot uxonaronixe\u015fa mak\u0306itxet\u0306u. Ma mak\u0306itxet\u0306u mara majurapek icert\u0306u. Guri gei\u00e7\u0306k\u0306omes, \u00e7kimi k\u0306ala va axvenes. Emoras hek umanebrobas, xvalanobas do xvala dodginus oxovam\u00e7\u0306k\u0306i. Sinifi\u015fi megabrepe \u00e7kimi steri va vort\u0306i; ar k\u0306ele tapala, majura k\u0306eleti ek\u0306onari menceloni va vort\u0306i. Masumani sinifis vort\u0306i, baba \u00e7kimik ar oxori k\u0306e\u00e7opu Fatihi\u015fi semtis. Beyaziti\u015fen Fatihi\u015fa mek\u0306aptit. \u00c7kin Fatihi\u015fi Okumu\u015f Adami coxoni soka\u011fis ar oxori\u015fa dovibargit. E\u015fo iqu\u015fiti, Beyazit- Majurani \u0130lkmektebi meva\u015fkvi do Fatih Ta\u015fmektebis ogurus kogevo\u00e7\u0306k\u0306i. Ekoni mamgurapale \u00e7kimis Ragiba Xanumi coxont\u0306u\u2026 Ma maotxani sinifis na vort\u0306i orapes, ar um\u00e7ane dak \u00e7kvado\u00e7kva sinifepe\u015fen maxutani sinifi\u015fi mamgurapes \u0130nglisuri dersepe me\u00e7apt\u0306u, doxmeli mara faxrixe\u015fa \u0130nglisuri dersepe me\u00e7apt\u0306u. Emoras \u0130nglisuri nena k\u0306ala dovi\u00e7ini. Mtini gi\u0292\u0306vatna, aya k\u0306ursi maxutani sinifi\u015fi mamgurepe \u015feni rt\u0306u. Mamgurapalepe \u00e7kimik ma dido noseri m\u015finapt\u0306es. Emu\u015feni mati \u0130nglisuri k\u0306ursi\u015fa kemzdes, k\u0306ainoba mo\u011fodes, \u015fukri vo\u011fodap\u2026 O\u015fkenda do lise Vefa Lises kodoviguri\u2026 Aya a\u0292\u0306i gin\u017ee ambai ren do hak e\u015fo\u00a0\u00a0meva\u015fkva\u2026 \u0130mtianis kamapti, 1961\u0292\u0306anas rt\u0306u, imtiani komovorgi do \u00e7odinasti T\u0131bbiye\u015fi Mektebis ogurus kogevo\u00e7\u0306k\u0306i.\u00a0\u00a0Majura fak\u0306ult\u0306epe\u015fi doloxe tibbiyes go\u015fap\u0292xuni. Didopeten ilimepe\u015fi oguru\u015fa toli komi\u011fut\u0306u do emu\u015feni. \u0130st\u0306anboli\u015fi Tibbi\u015fi Fak\u0306ult\u0306es nadovigurapt\u0306i oras ar-jur nena \u00e7kva kodoviguri. Rusuli nena kodovigura ma do tolamepe govistiki, dido memandaru. Lises nadovigurapt\u0306i orapes, \u00e7kimeburot met\u0306k\u0306obineri- met\u0306k\u0306obineri Alamanuri, Latinuri, Sirbuli nenapeti dovigurapt\u0306i. Sinifis Yugoslavya\u015fen muhaciri moxtimeri ar manebra komiqount\u0306u. Emuk\u0306ala dost\u0306i doviqvi do e\u015fopeten Sirbuli dovigurapt\u0306i. Emu\u015fk\u0306ule \u00e7kimeburot, e\u015fo matkven, \u0130sp\u0306anuri nenati kodoviguri. Deli devri\u015fi steri nena\u015f ketabepe ep\u0306\u00e7\u0306opupt\u0306i, lai aya hobi maqveret\u0306u do mutu var.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi<\/strong>: Ar- jur nena kogi\u00e7kinan.\u00a0\u00a0Xolo gk\u0306itxat a\u0292\u0306iti. Mu\u00e7\u0306o\u015fi digurit aya nenape, \u00e7kin mi\u0292\u0306vateni? A\u0292\u0306i gamo\u00e7kvineri ketabi tkvani\u015fenti b\u011far\u011falaten. \u0292\u0306oxleni orapes gamo\u00e7kvineri ketabepe, no\u00e7\u0306arepe do k\u0306ult\u0306uruli no\u00e7ali\u015fepe tkvani\u015fenti ambai komom\u00e7it, mu iqven.<\/p>\n A. Cengiz Bukeri<\/strong>: \u0130nglisuri, Alamanuri, \u0130sp\u0306anuri\u2026 nenape ti\u015fen k\u0306udeli\u015fa mskva\u015fa komi\u00e7kin, e\u015fo matkven. Mara \u00e7kvado\u00e7kva derecepes naoxoma\u0292\u0306onen vana e\u015fo varna a\u015fonami\u00e7kin, a\u015fina navore majura nenapeti koren. \u0292\u0306oxleni orapes gamo\u00e7kvineri ketabepe \u00e7kimi didopeten majura nenape\u015fen tercume ren. Tercume mom\u0292\u0306ondun, ar k\u0306ele otkvalu naginonan mutupe k\u0306o\u00e7epes u\u0292\u0306umert, majura k\u0306eleti natkumert nenape tkvani navaren\u015feni, entepe\u015fi xilafi tkvani va iqven, mesuloba tkvani va ren. K\u0306o\u00e7ik mutu tku\u015fi, natku nena\u015fi mesuli ren. Turkiye do galeni dobanonape\u015fi tibburi dergepes gamo\u00e7kvineri no\u00e7\u0306epe komi\u011fun\u2026 Gamo\u00e7kvineri \u015fiirepe, k\u0306ult\u0306uruli no\u00e7\u0306arepeti komi\u011fun mara aya mesele arm\u0292ika gurime\u00e7\u0306voni ren, emu\u015feniti aya a\u0292\u0306i xvala ma mi\u00e7kit\u0306as, domiba\u011fun. Tkvanti ginonanna, aya a\u0292\u0306i var ek\u0306ule b\u011far\u011falat!<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi<\/strong>: Nama\u00e7kinen k\u0306onariten, dunya\u015fi otxo \u011foci\u015fen ambaoni k\u0306o\u00e7i ret. K\u0306o\u00e7inoba\u015fi qoropaten yep\u015feri guri kogi\u011funan. Peroni xasieti kogi\u011funan. Vicdani kogi\u011funan. Uadalet\u0306obas nudgitupt.\u00a0\u00a0K\u0306o\u00e7inoba so ulun? Tkvan nadibadit \u0292\u0306anapes, no\u011farepes kovali k\u0306arnaten me\u00e7apt\u0306u hukumetik. Tkvan namoirdit dunyas, iri oxoris tito t\u0306ilifoni va rt\u0306u. Radyo\u015fi \u00e7\u0306andinape xerxeuli rt\u0306u. T\u0306elevizyoni va rt\u0306u.\u00a0\u00a0A\u0292\u0306i iris xes tito mobiluri t\u0306ilifoni ku\u011fun. Dido mk\u0306ule ora\u015fi doloxe iri saxas skidala\u015fi dido p\u0306aradigma diktiru, tkvan antepe k\u0306aixe\u015fa ko\u017eirit. Antepe mteli \u015feni muepe gatkvenan? Oput\u0306epe no\u011fa iqu, no\u011fape oput\u0306e iqu, e\u015foi? Oput\u0306epes no\u011fari doviqvit, no\u011fapes oput\u0306ari doviqvit, e\u015foi? Am xali \u015feni tkvan mu izmont?\u00a0\u00a0K\u0306o\u00e7inoba\u015fi \u00e7\u0306umen- gend\u011fani \u015feni muepe izmont?<\/p>\n A. Cengiz Bukeri<\/strong>: Ar maanaten mskva nenape tkvaniten, mara mtini gi\u0292\u0306vatna, m\u0292xade naren nenape tkvaniten \u00e7kimden mola\u015finapt. Mskva mara m\u0292xade nenape tkvani \u015feni dido \u015fukuri go\u011fodapt. Guri\u015f doloxe nami\u011funpe\u015fen a\u0292\u0306i\u015fakis e\u015fo dido mutu va gi\u0292\u0306vit mara tkvan xoloti oxoga\u0292\u0306ones, e\u015fo i\u017eiren.N\u00e7\u0306ela do guri\u015fen manebroba tkvani \u015feni minnettari vore tkvanda, irote ixelat do n\u0292a\u015fa yextat! Radyo\u015fi xerxeuli \u00e7\u0306andina\u015fen mi\u0292\u0306umert, aya xvalaxe\u015fa juris mi\u00e7kit\u0306an, ar mutu gi\u0292\u0306vaten. Turkiye\u015fi Cumxuriyeti\u015fa radio komoxtu\u015fi,\u00a0\u00a0dido k\u0306o\u00e7ik radio\u015fi \u00e7\u0306andina gyunaxi \u015finapt\u0306u, radio\u015fi ap\u0306arat\u0306i var e\u00e7\u0306opupt\u0306u, radio\u015fi \u00e7\u0306andinas va nusimint\u0306u.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0Moro k\u0306o\u00e7epek devleti\u015fi doxmeli rabisk\u0306aten radio ixmart\u0306es. Man antepe mteli ti\u015fen k\u0306udeli\u015fa tolepe \u00e7kimiten kob\u017eiru, qucepe \u00e7kimiten kovogni\u2026 Ho,\u00a0\u00a0emoras ant\u0306eniti dido p\u0306roblemi rt\u0306u\u2026 Turkiye dido diktiru; mtini gi\u0292\u0306vatna, dunya diktiru. \u201cXvala ktirapa va iktiren\u201d-ya zop\u0306onan. Mtini zop\u0306onan. Mara mtini gi\u0292\u0306vatna, \u00e7odina o\u015f\u0292\u0306anuras ktirapa dido koman\u017einu. Dido koman\u017einu; k\u0306o\u00e7is aya perpuxe\u015fa var oxva\u0292\u0306onen, a\u015fo matkvenan do mutu var.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi<\/strong>: T\u0306okseri tkvani ketabi kogamaxtu: \u201cVit\u0306o\u015f\u0292\u0306anapeten Mjora\u015fi Dobadona\u201d. A\u0292\u0306i\u015fakis ketabi tkvani va mak\u0306itxu. Ketabi tkvani\u015fen gk\u0306itxat, eya minon.\u00a0\u00a0Ketabi tkvani tami- tami\u015fa mundes kogamaxtu? Namu gamam\u00e7kvala\u015fen kogamaxtu? Tkvani doxmeli gama\u00e7kvala reni? Muk\u0306onari t\u0306irajiten kogamaxtu ketabi tkvani? K\u0306o\u00e7epes ketabi tkvani so a\u017eirenan?<\/p>\n A. Cengiz Bukeri<\/strong>: Ar mutu gak\u0306vandept: Mu iqven, \u201cVit\u0306o\u015f\u0292\u0306anapeten Mjora\u015fi Dobadona\u201d coxoni ketabi \u00e7kimi mani\u015fa ik\u0306itxit do e\u015fo b\u011far\u011falat. Mara amu\u015fen \u0292\u0306oxle T\u0306omaso K\u0306amp\u0306anela\u015fi ut\u0306op\u0306iuri romani\u201cMjora\u015fi Dobadona\u201d-ti ik\u0306itxit do e\u015fo b\u011far\u011falat. Emu\u015fk\u0306ule xolo b\u011far\u011falat, ma e\u015fo vizmon.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi<\/strong>: A\u0292\u0306iti xolo ketabi tkvani\u015fen gk\u0306itxat, e\u015fo minon ma. Mk\u0306ule\u015fa ketabi tkvani\u015fi dolorena\u015fen mologa\u015finenani? Ketabi tkvani\u015fi k\u0306apa\u011fis \u201cilmur-fant\u0306ast\u0306ik\u0306ur felsefuri romani\u201d no\u00e7\u0306ars. Mara k\u0306apa\u011fi\u015fi sureti\u015fi gagnapa\u015fen ketabi\u015fi dolorena \u015feni tis \u00e7kvado\u00e7kva simadape kome\u015famixtu mara xoloti dolorena\u015fen mtini k\u0306arari var mema\u00e7u ma.\u00a0\u00a0Emu\u015feniti xolo tkvan gk\u0306itxare, e\u015fo doma\u00e7\u0306irs.\u00a0\u00a0Ot\u0306obiyografiuli no\u00e7ali\u015fe reni? \u00c7odina zerbi t\u0306eknolojiuri mordapa do k\u0306o\u00e7inoba\u015fa feydoni- zararoni tesirepe mu\u015fi\u015fen ambai name\u00e7aps no\u00e7ali\u015fe reni? K\u0306o\u00e7inoba\u015fi and\u011faneri xali felsefuri gagnanapen oxo\u0292\u0306onapapt, e\u015fo reni? Dido mcve orape\u015fen and\u011fa\u015fa k\u0306o\u00e7inoba\u015fi rdala, lamtinaluri mordapa, buncina\u015fa mancoba mu\u015fi\u015fi orape\u015fen do ek\u0306uleni omralapa, mancoba do ok\u0306ortala\u015fi xalepe\u015fen ambaepe mom\u00e7apt, e\u015foi? K\u0306o\u00e7inona\u015fi ek\u0306uleni orape\u015fen \u0292\u0306oxle\u015fen ambaepe mom\u00e7apt, e\u015foi?<\/p>\n A. Cengiz Bukeri<\/strong>: Mk\u0306ule\u015fa gi\u0292\u0306vat, ketabi \u00e7kimi romani ren. Lamtinala \u00e7kinis ek\u0306onari modernuli gagnapa u\u011fun nati, xoloti romani k\u0306ai toliten i\u017eiren. And\u011faneri nd\u011fas teorixe\u015fa Avrop\u0306as skidun yado e\u015fo i\u00e7kinen k\u0306ult\u0306uri, mtini gi\u0292\u0306vatna, Yulva\u015fi var, K\u0306o\u00e7inoba\u015fi noxvene ren. Edo aya k\u0306ult\u0306uri nado\u0292\u0306opxu iri\u015fen didi fakt\u0306ori n\u00e7\u0306araloba ren. Romaniti n\u00e7\u0306araloba\u015fi iri\u015fen \u0292\u0306oxlemxtimu no\u0292\u0306ile ren. Mu\u00e7\u0306o musik\u0306a\u015fi iri\u015fen \u0292\u0306oxlemxtimu no\u0292\u0306ile op\u0306era renna, e\u015fo. Homerosi\u015fi dest\u0306anepe navu\u0292\u0306umert romanepe var t\u0306esk\u0306oni, and\u011faneri nd\u011fas varti Grek\u0306o- Romaluri k\u0306ult\u0306uri, varti Ronesansi, varti humanizmi iqvasunt\u0306u. Ma a\u015fo mi\u00e7kin. Don K\u0306i\u015fot\u0306i steri jurene\u00e7i- jurene\u00e7idovit k\u0306onari romaniten \u00e7odina orape\u015fi mordapa gemi\u00e7\u0306k\u0306es \u00e7kin. Aya romanepe medeniyeti\u015fi ok\u0306idu\u015fi tito kva diqves, msimadu k\u0306o\u00e7epes diyalogepe komom\u00e7es, memi\u015fkves. \u201c(1984) Vit\u0306on\u00e7xoroo\u015fdootxone\u00e7idootxo\u201d, \u201c(Guroni) A\u011fani Dunya\u201d, \u201cSkindinape\u015fi Bak\u0306i\u201d-\u015fen ambai va gi\u011funanna, varti sosyoloji, varti felsefe, e\u015fo gi\u0292\u0306vat, varti p\u0306olit\u0306ik\u0306a gaxvenan. E\u015fo va reni? Am romani \u00e7kimi minimumixe\u015fa am romanepe\u015fi monk\u0306anobas kob\u017eirop mati.\u00a0\u00a0Ketabi \u00e7kimi dido gami\u00e7inasen ma do va bzop\u0306on, e\u015foti va minom. Mara k\u0306o\u00e7epek ketabi \u00e7kimi ik\u0306itxas, eya minon ma xvala. Ketabi \u00e7kimi irik ik\u0306itxasen do irik ti\u015fen k\u0306udeli\u015fa simadape \u00e7kimi ar\u015fvacis oxo\u0292\u0306onasen, eyati va mep\u015fven ma. Mara k\u0306rit\u0306ik\u0306uli rt\u0306as nati n\u00e7\u0306ela do ozmonu maqvas, eya minon ma. E\u015fo gi\u0292\u0306vat, k\u0306o\u00e7epek isimadan, simadepe \u00e7kimis nusiminan, a\u0292\u0306ineri\u015fen \u00e7kva osimadus memi\u015fvelan\u2026 Ma var, \u00e7kimi osimadus mxuci mom\u00e7an,\u00a0\u00a0omudi do naminon, xvala aya ren.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi<\/strong>: Ketabi tkvani mu\u015feni aya coxo gyodvit, \u201cvit\u0306o\u015f\u0292\u0306anapeten Mjora\u015fi Dobadona\u201d?<\/p>\n Arma\u011fan Cengiz Bukeri<\/strong>: Dido basiti ren: Tomas Morik nayo\u00e7kinu ut\u0306op\u0306iuri adetiten T\u0306omaso K\u0306amp\u0306anelak nado\u00e7\u0306aru\u00a0\u00a0\u201cMjora\u015fi Dobadona\u201d coxoni ketabis mevungapini ketabi \u00e7kimi\u015fi coxo.\u00a0\u00a0E\u015fo matk\u0306ven, ut\u0306op\u0306ia\u015fi k\u0306eremulis \u00e7odina k\u0306erkelixe\u015fa ti-\u00e7kimi ok\u0306atu mint\u0306u, e\u015foten masimadu, gonepti, mu mi\u00e7kin. Emu\u015fk\u0306ule fizik\u0306i\u015f ilimi\u015fi \u00e7odina frat\u0306i do on\u00e7\u0306eloni icadepetenti xavesi komoman\u017einu, ayati m\u0292xade ren. E\u015fo ar gagnapa maquki nami\u00e7kinpe, nakob\u017eirupe va oxovo\u0292\u0306onapu\u015fi, lai ti- \u00e7kimi k\u0306abaetoni p\u015finamint\u0306u.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi<\/strong>: A\u00e7kva int\u0306erviu\u015fi \u00e7odina\u015fa komevan\u00e7\u0306it. \u00c7odina ketabi tkvani\u015fi \u011faraten a\u011fani ketabi\u015f p\u0306rojepeti gi\u011funani? Ar- jur nena otkvalu ginonani?<\/p>\n A. Cengiz Bukeri<\/strong>: Ho, moro, dido\u2026 Mara amu\u015feni arm\u0292ika skidala, arm\u0292ika para, arm\u0292ikati ora doma\u00e7\u0306irs.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamazi<\/strong>: \u00c7kimi \u015feni ora tkvani doxarcit, \u015fukuri go\u011fodapt. Ma tkvan navar gk\u0306itxit, mara tkvan o\u011far\u011falu naginonan ambaepe gi\u011funanna, entepeti mi\u0292\u0306vit, mu iqven! pimpili dixa\u015fa gegixtan do n\u0292a\u015fa yextat!<\/p>\n A. Cengiz Bukeri<\/strong>: Manti\u011fiten naoxoi\u0292\u0306onen do k\u0306o\u00e7i\u015fi renoba\u015fi iri\u015fen didi hediye naren nosi va vin\u00e7\u0306elt, emk\u0306ata nd\u011falepes pskidut, e\u015fo oxoma\u0292\u0306onen. Aya xvala and\u011faneri nd\u011falepe\u015fi xarmalobe ren, e\u015fo vizmon ma. Mara mtini gza mu\u00e7\u0306o\u015fi b\u017eiraten ma do visimadep. A\u0292\u0306ineri ugagnaponi oxo\u015fir\u015foleri dulyapes \u00e7kar miti va kodololas. Emu\u015fenitikodoxedan do k\u0306o\u00e7epe mskva\u015fa isimadan, aya minon ma. Meditasyoniti osimadu\u015fi gzalepe\u015fen arteri ren mara nosi\u015f o\u00e7ali\u015fus vardo, mo\u015fvacinus nu\u015fvels. Mtini dulya varti dido do\u00e7\u0306k\u0306indinu, varti dido dulya oxvenu ren\u2026 \u00c7kimi \u015feni mtini dulya ozmonu ren. Xelabati ozmonuk momi\u011fasunon, ma e\u015fo komi\u00e7kin. 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