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Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n [\u00d6n a\u00e7\u0131klama<\/strong>: Bug\u00fcnk\u00fc misafirim \u00e7ay \u00fcreticisi Avni Erta\u015f. Kendisini 1993 y\u0131l\u0131 yaz\u0131nda \u0130stanbul- Aksaray\u2019da Avukat Ahmet Hulusi K\u0131r\u0131m\u2019\u0131n yaz\u0131hanesinde tan\u0131d\u0131m. 1993 y\u0131l\u0131 15 Kas\u0131m\u2019\u0131nda ilk say\u0131s\u0131 yay\u0131mlanacak olan \u201cOgni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi\u201dnin kurulu\u015f faaliyetlerinin ba\u015flang\u0131c\u0131nda kendisiyle beraberdik. F\u0131nd\u0131kl\u0131\u2019da do\u011fa ve \u00e7evre duyarl\u0131\u011f\u0131yla HES\u2019lere kar\u015f\u0131 verilen m\u00fccadelelerin i\u00e7inde yer ald\u0131. \u00dcretim ve emekten hi\u00e7 kopmam\u0131\u015f ayd\u0131n bir k\u00f6yl\u00fc olarak, \u00e7ay \u00fcreticilerinin emek m\u00fccadeleleri i\u00e7inde de hep yer ald\u0131. Lazcaya da son derece hakim. TBMM \u00e7at\u0131\u015f\u0131 alt\u0131nda \u00e7ay \u00fcreticilerinin sorunlar\u0131 ve \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcm yollar\u0131na ili\u015fkin yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131 k\u0131sa ancak etkili konu\u015fma b\u00fcy\u00fck dikkat \u00e7ekti. Avni Erta\u015f\u2019\u0131n en \u00f6nemli \u00f6zelli\u011fi, \u00e7ay \u00fcreticisi olup emek m\u00fccadelesi ile HES\u2019lere kar\u015f\u0131 m\u00fccadeleden hi\u00e7 kopmamas\u0131 ve bu hakl\u0131 m\u00fccadeleleri hep me\u015fru zeminlerde, her platformda, her zaman y\u00fcr\u00fct\u00fcyor olmas\u0131. Bir di\u011fer \u00f6zelli\u011fi de bu m\u00fccadeleleri bir siyas\u00ee parti ad\u0131na y\u00fcr\u00fctmemesi; ancak her siyas\u00ee parti ile bu konularda diyalo\u011fa a\u00e7\u0131k olmas\u0131. Kendisiyle bir s\u00f6yle\u015fi yapt\u0131m. 1993 y\u0131l\u0131nda \u0130stanbul\u2019da yay\u0131mlamaya \u00e7al\u0131\u015ft\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z \u201cOgni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi\u201d s\u00fcreci, HES\u2019lere kar\u015f\u0131 verdi\u011fi \u00e7evre ve do\u011fa m\u00fccadelesi ile \u00e7ay \u00fcreticilerinin emek m\u00fccadelesi \u00fczerine k\u0131saca konu\u015ftuk. 19. VII. 2024; Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz]<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Ben sizi \u00e7ok iyi tan\u0131yorum. Kendinizi okuyucular\u0131m\u0131za k\u0131saca tan\u0131t\u0131r m\u0131s\u0131n\u0131z?<\/p>\n Avni Erta\u015f<\/strong>: 1964 y\u0131l\u0131nda d\u00fcnyaya geldim. \u00c7ocuk ya\u015fta anne ve babam ile birlikte gece, g\u00fcnd\u00fcz, ya\u011fmur, g\u00fcne\u015f demeden \u00e7al\u0131\u015ft\u0131m. \u0130lk ve orta okulu k\u00f6yde okudum. Lise e\u011fitimi i\u00e7in il\u00e7e merkezine indim. 1977 -78 y\u0131llar\u0131 olmas\u0131 nedeniyle de siyasal bilgi, bilin\u00e7 kazanma d\u00f6nemlerim oldu; b\u00f6yle diyebilirim. 1984 y\u0131l\u0131nda Isparta Meslek Y\u00fcksek Okulu \u0130n\u015faat B\u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fcnde okudum. Baz\u0131 nedenlerle okulu b\u0131rakt\u0131m. Sonra A.\u00d6.F\u2019de \u0130\u015f \u0130daresi B\u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fc derken askerlik ve evlilik… Bir o\u011flum var ad\u0131 Hasret; mal\u00fbm Sivas’ta yak\u0131lan dostum Hasret G\u00fcltekin\u2019in an\u0131s\u0131na… Uzun y\u0131llar \u0130stanbul\u2019da ya\u015fad\u0131k ve \u015fimdilerde Rize F\u0131nd\u0131kl\u0131\u2019da Meyval\u0131 K\u00f6y\u00fcnde ya\u015f\u0131yoruz. \u00dcretim alanlar\u0131nda ve do\u011fal ya\u015fam alanlar\u0131m\u0131z\u0131 koruma ve savunma m\u00fccadelesiyle birlikte var olmaya gayret g\u00f6steriyoruz.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: T\u00fcrk Devletinin, So\u011fuk Sava\u015f y\u0131llar\u0131n\u0131n sonlar\u0131nda, \u201cT\u00fcrk\u00e7eden Ba\u015fka Dillerle Yap\u0131lacak Yay\u0131nlar Hakk\u0131nda\u201d 12.04.1991 tarihinde 3713 no\u2019lu kanunla de\u011fi\u015fiklikler yapmas\u0131ndan sonra \u0130stanbul\u2019da ortaya \u00e7\u0131kmaya ba\u015flayan \u201cLaz K\u00fclt\u00fcr Hareketi\u201d s\u00fcrecine ili\u015fkin sormak istiyorum \u00f6nce. Ancak bilmeyenler i\u00e7in kronolojiyi hat\u0131rlatmak istiyorum: 3713 no\u2019lu kanunla de\u011fi\u015fiklikler yap\u0131lmas\u0131; Ant Yay\u0131nlar\u0131n\u0131n 1992 y\u0131l\u0131nda \u201cLazlar\u2019\u0131n Tarihi\u201d adl\u0131 \u00f6zet \u00e7eviri kitab\u0131n yay\u0131nlamas\u0131; Avukat Ahmet Hulusi K\u0131r\u0131m\u2019\u0131n A Akt\u00fcel Dergisinden Ha\u015fim Akman\u2019a verdi\u011fi r\u00f6portaj ve bilgilerin ayn\u0131 derginin 1992\/ 66. say\u0131s\u0131nda yay\u0131nlanmas\u0131; Bah\u00e7elievler Alyans D\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn Salonunda yap\u0131lan toplant\u0131; Bug\u00fcn Gazetesinin bir hafta s\u00fcren yay\u0131n\u0131; ard\u0131ndan gelen korku ile panik ve \u201cOgni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi\u201d s\u00fcrecinin ba\u015flamas\u0131. Kronoloji b\u00f6yle. Siz, b\u00fct\u00fcn bu s\u00fcre\u00e7lerin i\u00e7indeydiniz. \u00a0Bu s\u00fcrece ili\u015fkin de\u011ferlendirmelerinizi bizimle payla\u015f\u0131r m\u0131s\u0131n\u0131z? Bug\u00fcn Gazetesinde bir hafta s\u00fcren yay\u0131n\u0131 nas\u0131l de\u011ferlendiriyorsunuz? G\u00fcn\u00fcm\u00fczdeki \u201cLaz K\u00fclt\u00fcr Hareketine\u201d ili\u015fkin de de\u011ferlendirmelerde bulunur musunuz? Lazca, baz\u0131 insanlar\u0131n \u201cana dili\u201d, baz\u0131 insanlar\u0131n da \u201cikinci dili\u201d. Her h\u00e2l\u00fck\u00e2rda da Lazca g\u00fcnden g\u00fcne \u00f6l\u00fcyor. 21 \u015eubat \u201cUNESCO\u2019nun Ana Dili G\u00fcn\u00fc\u201dnde TBMM k\u00fcrs\u00fcs\u00fcnde Lazca ad\u0131na ya\u015fananlara ili\u015fkin de neler s\u00f6ylemek istersiniz?<\/p>\n Avni Erta\u015f<\/strong>: \u00d6ncelik \u015funu ifade etmek isterim ki, bir enstit\u00fcs\u00fc veya vak\u0131f konusu \u00e7ok net olarak haf\u0131zamda \u015fu an yok. Alyans D\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn Salonunda ve di\u011fer toplant\u0131lar\u0131 da “ne yapabiliriz” toplant\u0131s\u0131 olarak g\u00f6r\u00fcyordum ve \u00f6yle bak\u0131yordum. Dolay\u0131s\u0131yla bir hedef konmu\u015f planl\u0131 bir \u00e7al\u0131\u015fma olarak g\u00f6rmedim, ki zaten Ogni Dergisi s\u00fcreci de biraz bu tart\u0131\u015fmalar i\u00e7inden \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131. T\u00fcrk\u00e7eden ba\u015fka bir dil konusu hassas bir konu elbette \u00f6zelikle K\u00fcrt halk\u0131n\u0131n dilini, k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fcn\u00fc bask\u0131layan genel olarak \u00fclkede bulunan herkesi T\u00fcrk kabul eden bir anlay\u0131\u015f var, vard\u0131; evet fakat k\u00f6pr\u00fcn\u00fcn alt\u0131ndan sular akt\u0131 ve bug\u00fcn durum d\u00fcnden \u00e7ok farkl\u0131. Ben bu alan\u0131 tamamen k\u00fclt\u00fcr ve birikim tarih\u00ee bir birikim ve \u00f6zelikle de bir miras olarak g\u00f6r\u00fcyorum. Kimse, kimsenin k\u00fclt\u00fcrel birikiminden rahats\u0131z olmamas\u0131 gerekir ve bu ortak ak\u0131l ve de iyi niyet gerektirir. Yani atom maddenin bir par\u00e7as\u0131 denebilir fakat atom ayn\u0131 zamanda bir bomba. Nereden bakmak l\u00e2z\u0131m?! Kurt; elma, armut i\u00e7inde ya\u015far, kemirgen bir canl\u0131 yok de\u011fil, kurt y\u0131rt\u0131c\u0131 vah\u015fi bir hayvan hangisi. \u0130\u015fte \u015feffaf demokratik bir ortam b\u00fct\u00fcn bu netle\u015fmenin panzehiri bence. Bu arada Lazca ve Lazlar hakk\u0131nda g\u00fcn\u00fcnde yap\u0131lan iyi niyetli de olsa \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131 sevmiyorum. Lazca ve Lazlar\u0131n temel ihtiyac\u0131 ortakla\u015fa farkl\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131n giderilmesi bu alanda hi\u00e7bir \u00e7al\u0131\u015fma yok desem yeridir. Evet bir\u00e7ok \u015fey yap\u0131l\u0131yor \u00e7o\u011fu ekonomik kayg\u0131 ta\u015f\u0131yor ve ya\u015fanan sorunlar\u0131 gidermiyor. \u00d6rn: Arde\u015fenli biri yazd\u0131\u011f\u0131 eseri Arde\u015fen aksan\u0131 ile. Arhaviden biri bir \u015feyler yap\u0131yorsa kendi aksan\u0131 ile. F\u0131nd\u0131kl\u0131 farkl\u0131 di\u011fer b\u00f6lgeler farkl\u0131 ve ne yaz\u0131kt\u0131r ki baz\u0131 kelimeler baz\u0131 ifadeleri di\u011fer b\u00f6lge anlam\u0131yor. Yine \u00f6rn: Arde\u015fen aksan\u0131nda\u00a0 k\u00f6pek; la\u00e7\u00e7i diyor. F\u0131nd\u0131kl\u0131 aksan\u0131nda k\u00f6pek; co\u011fori diyor Tamamen birbirinden ayr\u0131 ve bu farkl\u0131l\u0131k \u00e7ok var. Bunun giderilece\u011fi ortakla\u015fan bir \u00e7al\u0131\u015fman\u0131n gereklili\u011fi ortada. Fakat mevcut \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar bu alan\u0131 bo\u015f b\u0131rak\u0131yor.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Siz Do\u011fa ve \u00e7evre m\u00fccadelesinden, HES\u2019lere kar\u015f\u0131 m\u00fccadeleden hi\u00e7 kopmad\u0131n\u0131z. Me\u015fru zeminlerde, hakl\u0131 bir m\u00fccadeleyi ka\u00e7ak d\u00f6v\u00fc\u015ferek de\u011fil, ak\u0131l ve bedeninizi ortaya koyarak a\u00e7\u0131k a\u00e7\u0131k y\u00fcr\u00fctt\u00fcn\u00fcz. (FDKP) \u201cF\u0131nd\u0131kl\u0131 Dereleri Koruma Platformu\u201dnun kurulu\u015fu, m\u00fccadeleleri, ba\u015far\u0131lar\u0131 ve bug\u00fcn\u00fcne ili\u015fkin neler s\u00f6ylemek isterseniz? Genelde insanlar, bir\u00e7ok konuya oldu\u011fu gibi do\u011fa ve \u00e7evreye de yeterince duyarl\u0131 de\u011fil. Asl\u0131nda gelecekte ya\u015fayabilece\u011fimiz fel\u00e2ketlerin de pek fark\u0131nda de\u011filler. \u201c\u00c7evre, do\u011fa, gelece\u011fimiz,\u201d deyip bizzat do\u011fa ve \u00e7evreye zarar veren insanlar\u0131 da g\u00f6r\u00fcyoruz. \u201cF\u0131nd\u0131kl\u0131 Dereleri Koruma Platformu\u201dnun m\u00fccadelesinde ay\u0131r\u0131m g\u00f6zetmeden insanlardan, b\u00fct\u00fcn siyas\u00ee partilerden, ayd\u0131nlardan yeterince destek g\u00f6rd\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn\u00fc d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyor musunuz? B\u00fct\u00fcn bunlar\u0131 de\u011ferlendirir misiniz? Hat\u0131rlars\u0131n\u0131z, sokak \u00e7e\u015fmeleri kurutuldu. Su, 1993\u2019ten itibaren pet \u015fi\u015felerde ve su istasyonlar\u0131nda sat\u0131lmaya ba\u015fland\u0131; \u0130stanbul i\u00e7in s\u00f6yl\u00fcyorum. Su, g\u0131da, enerji tedarik zincirleri konusunda b\u00fcy\u00fck s\u0131k\u0131nt\u0131lar ya\u015fan\u0131yor, bu s\u0131k\u0131nt\u0131lar\u0131n artarak ya\u015fanaca\u011f\u0131 da \u00f6ng\u00f6r\u00fcl\u00fcyor. B\u00fct\u00fcn bunlar sizin ya\u015fad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z F\u0131nd\u0131kl\u0131\u2019ya nas\u0131l yans\u0131yacak? Neler s\u00f6ylemek istersiniz. D\u00fcnya ve \u00fclk\u00fcm\u00fczdeki b\u00fct\u00fcn bu gidi\u015fat\u0131 nas\u0131l de\u011ferlendiriyorsunuz?<\/p>\n Avni Erta\u015f<\/strong>: \u00c7ok genel bir konu ve asl\u0131nda d\u00fcnyam\u0131z\u0131n temel sorunu; “su” ya\u015fam kayna\u011f\u0131. \u00c7ok uzun s\u00fcre anlatacak, 17 y\u0131ll\u0131k m\u00fccadele s\u00fcrecini d\u00f6kecek de\u011filim fakat bug\u00fcn hala 24 HES projesi, ta\u015f ocaklar\u0131 ve maden projeleri i\u00e7in bir kazma vurulmu\u015f de\u011fil. Sorunun i\u00e7inde var zaten. Hi\u00e7 bir siyasi parti ay\u0131r\u0131m\u0131 yap\u0131lmadan belki de \u00f6rnek bir m\u00fccadele ya\u015fand\u0131, ya\u015fan\u0131yor. \u015eunu ifade etsem belki her \u015feyi anlat\u0131r. Bir g\u00fcn yanlar\u0131nda terc\u00fcman ile birlikte birileri geldi. Bizimle konu\u015fmak, bizi anlamak istediklerini s\u00f6ylediler. Biz \u00f6ncelikle herkese oldu\u011fu gibi, \u201ckimsiniz ve bu \u00e7al\u0131\u015fma kime yaratacak nerede kullan\u0131lacak\u201d diye sorduk. Yan\u0131t;\u00a0 gelen insanlar Zabatista ad\u0131na geldiklerini, bizi, m\u00fccadeleyi duyduklar\u0131n\u0131 ve anlamak istediklerini ifade ettiler. Biz de sorulan sorular\u0131 yan\u0131tlad\u0131k. \u015eok oldular ( bu onlar\u0131n ifadesi). Ana ak\u0131m medya yer verirken a\u00e7\u0131k, a\u00e7\u0131k ve \u00fcz\u00fclerek ifade etmek gerekirse, muhalif gazete ve TV\u2019lerden yeterince destek g\u00f6remedik. \u00d6rnek; biz bir dava s\u00fcreci ya\u015fad\u0131k. Alt\u0131 duru\u015fma oldu ve sekiz ay on g\u00fcn ceza ald\u0131k. B\u00fct\u00fcn bu yarg\u0131lanma s\u00fcre\u00e7lerini TV kanal\u0131na video olarak ilettim. Fakat hi\u00e7biri duyarl\u0131 olmad\u0131, geri d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015f\u00fcm olmad\u0131. \u00c7evre, do\u011fa, sa\u011fl\u0131k, g\u0131da \u00f6zelikle suyu gelecekte insanl\u0131\u011f\u0131n ve asl\u0131nda b\u00fct\u00fcn canl\u0131lar\u0131n temel sorunu olaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131 g\u00f6r\u00fcyorum. Akademi, siyaset, bir par\u00e7a bilim insanlar\u0131 bile g\u00fcnl\u00fck g\u00fcndemleri konu\u015fmaktan, derine, \u00f6z\u00fcne, en tehlikeli olana zaman ay\u0131ram\u0131yor. Ancak ba\u015fa gelince… \u0130\u015fte sorun oldu\u011funda sorunu konu\u015fuyoruz.. Hep ge\u00e7 kal\u0131yoruz.<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: \u00c7ay tar\u0131m\u0131n\u0131n bug\u00fcnk\u00fc durumu, nedense T\u00fcrkiye kamuoyunun bilgisi d\u0131\u015f\u0131nda. Konu pek g\u00fcndeme getirilmiyor. TBMM\u2019de konu g\u00fcndeme getiriliyorsa da, \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcm yollar\u0131 \u00fcretilmiyor, sorunun toptan \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcm\u00fc i\u00e7in b\u00fct\u00fcn siyas\u00ee partiler hep beraber bu konuda da projeler \u00fcretip uygulamaya koymuyor. Bu konuyu nas\u0131l de\u011ferlendiriyorsunuz? \u015eimdi hat\u0131rlayabildi\u011fim kadar\u0131yla, 2 Haziran 2021 tarihinde \u0130Y\u0130 Parti TBMM Grup Salonunda misafir olarak bir konu\u015fma yapt\u0131n\u0131z. Yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z o konu\u015fma \u00e7ok \u00e7arp\u0131c\u0131yd\u0131; kutlar\u0131m. Siyas\u00ee partiler, TBMM\u2019de ne yaz\u0131k ki \u00fcretimden kopmam\u0131\u015f donan\u0131ml\u0131 insanlar\u0131 g\u00f6rmek istemiyorlar. Liderler, sizin gibi insanlar i\u00e7in kontenjan haklar\u0131n\u0131 kullanm\u0131yorlar. Konu\u015fman\u0131z s\u0131ras\u0131nda, salonda oturan baz\u0131 Milletvekillerinin bile ne kadar rahats\u0131z olduklar\u0131n\u0131 g\u00f6zlemleme imk\u00e2n\u0131m oldu. Bug\u00fcn T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de \u00e7ay \u00fcreticisi b\u00fcy\u00fck sorunlar ya\u015f\u0131yor. \u00c7ay fabrikalar\u0131nda mevsimlik i\u015f\u00e7ilerin sorunlar\u0131 var. Mill\u00ee \u00e7ay tar\u0131m\u0131m\u0131z ve \u00e7ay \u00fcreticilerimiz g\u00fcnden g\u00fcne artan zorluklarla kar\u015f\u0131la\u015f\u0131yor. Ka\u00e7ak \u00e7ay mill\u00ee \u00e7ay tar\u0131m\u0131m\u0131z\u0131 tehdit ediyor. Sorunlar ve bu sorunlar\u0131n kesin \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcm\u00fcne ili\u015fkin \u00f6nerilerinizden bahseder misiniz?<\/p>\n Avni Erta\u015f<\/strong>: TBMM’de yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131m s\u00f6z konusu konu\u015fman\u0131n son c\u00fcmlesi \u015fu: \u201cBir \u00fclke i\u00e7in tar\u0131m, e\u011fitim ve d\u0131\u015f politika de\u011fi\u015fmez devlet politikalar\u0131 olmal\u0131.\u201d \u00c7ok iyi hat\u0131rl\u0131yorum. Temel noktalar belirlenmeli ve h\u00fck\u00fcmetler de\u011fi\u015fir bu politikalar de\u011fi\u015fmez denmelidir. Elbette el s\u00fcr\u00fclemez g\u00fcn\u00fcn ihtiya\u00e7lar\u0131na uygun hale getirilmez politikalar de\u011fil bunlar. Fakat 10 y\u0131lda bir \u00fclkenin \u00fc\u00e7 kere bakan\u0131 ve be\u015f kere de e\u011fitim politikas\u0131 de\u011fi\u015fmez ki\u2026 Ben, \u00fclkemizin zenginli\u011fi olarak topra\u011f\u0131n\u0131 g\u00f6r\u00fcyorum. \u00d6rnek; bir\u00e7ok insan bilir Bilbilan diye bir yayla var; daha \u00e7ok Hopa ve Kemalpa\u015fal\u0131 insanlar gider, Ardahan taraf\u0131nda; gittim g\u00f6rd\u00fcm. O yayla 35 – 40 y\u0131ll\u0131\u011f\u0131na bana verilsin, bu \u00fclkenin b\u00fct\u00fcn et ihtiyac\u0131n\u0131 yar\u0131 fiyata kar\u015f\u0131lama garantisi verebilirim, net… Ya da \u00fclkemizde f\u0131nd\u0131k \u00fcretimi, d\u00fcnyada f\u0131nd\u0131k \u00fcretimi bizden sorulur. Fakat gelir elde etmekte s\u0131n\u0131fta kal\u0131yoruz. \u00c7ay, bu \u00fclkede, Do\u011fu ve G\u00fcneydo\u011fuda Anadolu\u2019da bizim \u00e7ay i\u00e7ilmiyor. Neden? Ka\u00e7ak ve hi\u00e7bir \u015feye benzemeyen boyal\u0131 \u00e7ay i\u00e7iyorlar. Ka\u00e7a\u011fa g\u00f6z yuman kim? O insanlara bir y\u0131l yar\u0131 fiyat\u0131na yerli \u00e7ay temini yap\u0131ls\u0131n yine k\u00e2rl\u0131y\u0131z. Her alanda oldu\u011fu gibi \u00e7ay ve benzeri \u00fcretimlerde de planlama yok. \u0130ki karde\u015ften biri AK Parti Rize \u0130l Ba\u015fkan\u0131 di\u011feri \u00c7aykur Genel M\u00fcd\u00fcr\u00fc.\u00a0 Ba\u015fka s\u00f6ze gerek yok!<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: 1991’den sonra ortaya \u00e7\u0131kan tek kutuplulu\u011fun Balkanlar, Kafkaslar ve Ortado\u011fu\u2019da insanlara ya\u015fatt\u0131\u011f\u0131 trajedileri g\u00f6rd\u00fck, g\u00f6r\u00fcyoruz. Anla\u015f\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131 kadar\u0131yla g\u00fcn\u00fcm\u00fczde art\u0131k bu tek kutupluluk, \u00e7ok kutuplulu\u011fa evrilme arifesinde. \u0130ki kutupluluk sonras\u0131 nas\u0131l b\u00fcy\u00fck trajediler ya\u015fand\u0131ysa, \u00e7ok kutupluluk \u00f6ncesi de trajediler ya\u015fan\u0131yor; Rusya Federasyonu\u2019nun Ukrayna operasyonu, Gazze\u2019de ya\u015fananlar, son olarak da masum insanlara kar\u015f\u0131 Moskova\u2019da bir tiyatro salonunda ya\u015fanan katliam\u2026 Art\u0131k d\u00fcnyada yeni safla\u015fmalar ya\u015fan\u0131yor. B\u00f6lgesel i\u015f birlikleri art\u0131yor. Amerikan Dolar\u0131na kar\u015f\u0131 mill\u00ee paralarla uluslararas\u0131 ticaret konusu g\u00fcndeme geliyor. B\u00fct\u00fcn bu ya\u015fananlar\u0131 nas\u0131l de\u011ferlendiriyorsunuz? Yar\u0131n\u0131n d\u00fcnyas\u0131, i\u00e7inde ya\u015fad\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z b\u00f6lge ve T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin gelece\u011fine ili\u015fkin beklenti, umut ve \u00f6ng\u00f6r\u00fclerinizden bahseder misiniz?<\/p>\n Avni Erta\u015f<\/strong>: D\u00fcnya maalesef cidd\u00ee tehdit alt\u0131nda. \u00d6zelikle \u201cYeni D\u00fcnya D\u00fczeni\u201d diye ifade edilen ve fakat d\u00fczensizli\u011fi dayatan bu s\u00fcre\u00e7, zay\u0131f olan\u0131n can\u0131 \u00e7\u0131ks\u0131n s\u00fcreci\u2026 Asl\u0131nda \u00f6rt\u00fcl\u00fc olarak \u201cSo\u011fuk Sava\u015f D\u00f6nemi\u201d devam ediyor. Sadece Gazze\u2019de ya\u015fat\u0131lan vah\u015fet g\u00f6steriyor ki kimse kimse i\u00e7in riske girmiyor. D\u00fcnyan\u0131n yeni bir ekonomik kriz ve bunu a\u015fmak i\u00e7in sava\u015flar d\u00f6nemine girdi\u011fi g\u00f6r\u00fcl\u00fcyor. \u0130\u015fte en son ABD de Ba\u015fkan Aday\u0131na suikast yap\u0131ld\u0131. Bu ne demek?! Bana g\u00f6re, kimse g\u00fcvende de\u011fil… Elbette \u00fclkemize de yans\u0131malar\u0131 olacak. Bu anlamda uluslararas\u0131 sermayenin Ortado\u011fu oyunu hen\u00fcz bitmedi. Bu nedenle bir s\u00fcre daha mevcut iktidar\u0131n yerinde kalaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131, muhalefetin belediyelerle idare edece\u011fini d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum. Kemal K\u0131l\u0131\u00e7daro\u011flu\u2019nun se\u00e7ilmemesi i\u00e7in oynanan oyunlar g\u00f6steriyor ki AK Parti \u0130ktidar\u0131 \u015fekil de\u011fi\u015fir bi\u00e7im de\u011fi\u015fir fakat devam eder. Ta ki yerine yeni bir AK Parti dizayn edilene kadar\u2026 8 y\u0131l ANAP \u0130ktidar\u0131 ve hemen 22 y\u0131l AK Parti \u0130ktidar\u0131\u2026Yeni bir siyas\u00ee parti ve bir 10 da onunla niye olmas\u0131n?!<\/p>\n Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong>: Zaman ay\u0131rd\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z i\u00e7in te\u015fekk\u00fcr ederim.<\/p>\n Avni Erta\u015f<\/strong>: Ben de te\u015fekk\u00fcr ederim.<\/p>\n (\u00d6nerilen okumalar<\/strong>: Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz, \u201cOgni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi\u201d, An\u0131- 1, 15. XI. 2015, circassiancenter.com.tr; \u201cF\u0131nd\u0131kl\u0131 halk\u0131 \u00c7ED toplant\u0131s\u0131 i\u00e7in bir araya geldi\u201d, 2 III 2017, evrensel.net; \u201cF\u0131nd\u0131kl\u0131\u2019da plaformun a\u00e7\u0131klamas\u0131\u201d,10 XII 2009, pazar53.com; \u201cF\u0131nd\u0131kl\u0131’da yarg\u0131lanan ya\u015fam savunucular\u0131n\u0131n duru\u015fmas\u0131 ertelendi\u201d, 18 I 2023; birgun.net; \u201cF\u0131nd\u0131kl\u0131’l\u0131 Avni Erta\u015f \u0130Y\u0130 Parti Gurup toplant\u0131s\u0131nda Rize ve \u00c7ay Konu\u015ftu\u201d, 03 VI, 2021, rizetvhaber.com; \u201cF\u0131nd\u0131kl\u0131\u2019da HES kar\u015f\u0131tlar\u0131 oturma eylemi ba\u015flatt\u0131\u201d, 24 III 2024; suhakki.org; Ha\u015fim Akman: \u201cLaz Enstit\u00fcs\u00fc Kuruluyor\u201d, A Akt\u00fcel Dergisi, say\u0131 66, 8- 14 Ekim 1992\/ Haber- s\u00f6yle\u015fiyi yeniden yay\u0131na haz\u0131rlayan: Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz, 13 VII 2017, sonhaber.ch\/ circassiancenter.com.tr; \u201cIs\u0131rgan Otlu HES Protestosu!\u201d, 25 VII 2012, bianet.org; \u0130smail Aky\u0131ld\u0131z, \u201cBen b\u00f6yle bir \u015fey g\u00f6rmedim!\u201d -F\u0131nd\u0131kl\u0131\u2019dan Avni Erta\u015f \u0130kizdere Direni\u015fi\u2019nde\u201d, 27 IV 2021, yesildirenis.com; Mecit \u00c7ak\u0131rusta: \u201cBen bu i\u015fe ana lisan\u0131m\u0131 ya\u015fatmak i\u00e7in girdim!\u201d, <\/strong>Yeni Kafkasya Gazetesi, Say\u0131 9, 2003\/ circassiancenter.com.tr; \u201cYa\u015fam Savunucusu Avni Erta\u015f: \u201cYine mi hakl\u0131 \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131k?\u00a0 HES Cinayettir\u201d, 11 X 2023, kuzeyteve.com;Y\u0131lmaz Erdo\u011fan: \u201cOgni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi\u201d ikinci \u00e7ocu\u011fum olarak kuca\u011f\u0131mdayd\u0131!\u201d ,7 VI 2022, sonhaber.ch\/circassiancenter.com.tr; \u201cY\u00fcr\u00fcrl\u00fckten kald\u0131r\u0131lan h\u00fck\u00fcmler\u201d, Resm\u00ee Gazete, 12\/ 4\/ 1991, Say\u0131: 20843, mevzuat.gov.tr)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":" Ali İhsan Aksamaz [Ön açıklama: Bugünkü misafirim çay üreticisi Avni Ertaş. Kendisini 1993 yılı yazında İstanbul- Aksaray’da Avukat Ahmet Hulusi Kırım’ın yazıhanesinde tanıdım. 1993 yılı 15 Kasım’ında ilk sayısı yayımlanacak olan “Ogni Kültür Dergisi”nin kuruluş faaliyetlerinin başlangıcında kendisiyle beraberdik. Fındıklı’da doğa ve çevre duyarlığıyla HES’lere karşı verilen mücadelelerin içinde yer aldı. 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