{"id":42853,"date":"2024-12-10T13:46:58","date_gmt":"2024-12-10T19:46:58","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.circassiancenter.com\/tr\/?p=42853"},"modified":"2025-01-02T13:51:26","modified_gmt":"2025-01-02T19:51:26","slug":"bazi-gurcu-aydinlarina-kolay-sorular","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.circassiancenter.com\/tr\/bazi-gurcu-aydinlarina-kolay-sorular\/","title":{"rendered":"BAZI G\u00dcRC\u00dc AYDINLARINA(!) KOLAY SORULAR"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-42854\" src=\"https:\/\/www.circassiancenter.com\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/BAZI-GURCU-AYDINLARINA-KOLAY-SORULAR-b.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"571\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.circassiancenter.com\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/BAZI-GURCU-AYDINLARINA-KOLAY-SORULAR-b.png 571w, https:\/\/www.circassiancenter.com\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/BAZI-GURCU-AYDINLARINA-KOLAY-SORULAR-b-300x158.png 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 571px) 100vw, 571px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong>Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u201cLaz Dilini ve K\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fcn\u00fc Ara\u015ft\u0131rma Vakf\u0131\u201d \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131 ve \u201cOgni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi\u201dnin yay\u0131m\u0131 baz\u0131 G\u00fcrc\u00fc ayd\u0131nlar\u0131n\u0131(!) \u00fcrk\u00fctm\u00fc\u015fe benziyor. Bu ayd\u0131nlar\u0131n(!) \u00fcrkmesi acaba nereden kaynaklan\u0131yor? Dillerini, k\u00fclt\u00fcrlerini ya\u015fatmak ve tarihlerini ara\u015ft\u0131rmak isteyen Lazlar neden baz\u0131 G\u00fcrc\u00fc ayd\u0131nlar\u0131n\u0131(!) korkutuyor?<\/p>\n<p>Ger\u00e7ek g\u00fcn gibi a\u00e7\u0131k: Lazlar, \u201cG\u00fcrc\u00fc\u2019s\u00fcn\u00fcz\u201d dayatmas\u0131n\u0131 kabul etmeyecekler ve s\u0131n\u0131r\u0131n \u00f6te yakas\u0131ndaki Megrel- Laz karde\u015flerine dayat\u0131lan G\u00fcrc\u00fc resm\u00ee ideolojisinin haks\u0131zl\u0131klar\u0131n\u0131 c\u00fcmle \u00e2leme il\u00e2n edecekler.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_42856\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-42856\" style=\"width: 604px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-42856 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.circassiancenter.com\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/BAZI-GURCU-AYDINLARINA-KOLAY-SORULAR-c.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"604\" height=\"607\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.circassiancenter.com\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/BAZI-GURCU-AYDINLARINA-KOLAY-SORULAR-c.jpg 604w, https:\/\/www.circassiancenter.com\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/BAZI-GURCU-AYDINLARINA-KOLAY-SORULAR-c-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.circassiancenter.com\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/BAZI-GURCU-AYDINLARINA-KOLAY-SORULAR-c-150x150.jpg 150w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 604px) 100vw, 604px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-42856\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Kendilerini \u201cayd\u0131n\u201d zanneden baz\u0131 G\u00fcrc\u00fc dostlar\u0131n(!) ne yaz\u0131k ki, kendi tarih ve co\u011frafyalar\u0131n\u0131 bilmedikleri ortaya \u00e7\u0131k\u0131yor. Ancak biz kendilerine kolayca cevaplayabilecekleri baz\u0131 sorular sormak istiyoruz.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><strong>Soru 1<\/strong>) 1980\u2019de karanl\u0131k g\u00fc\u00e7lerce katledilen G\u00fcrc\u00fc ayd\u0131n\u0131 Ahmet \u00d6zkan Mela\u015fvili\u2019nin de katk\u0131lar\u0131yla yay\u0131mlanan \u201cGeorgian Folk Music from Turkey\u201d adl\u0131 pl\u00e2\u011f\u0131n bro\u015f\u00fcr\u00fcndeki \u015fu c\u00fcmlenin T\u00fcrk\u00e7esini anlayabiliyor musunuz? \u201cThese people, the Gurians and Adjarians, descend from those eighth century immigrants to the west, who were responsible for separating the Laz from the main body of Megrelians.\u201d (Peter Gold\/ Frank J. Gillis, Indiana University, Archives of Traditional Music Folklor Institute, Bloomington, USA) \u201cSekizinci y\u00fczy\u0131ldan ba\u015flamak \u00fczere bat\u0131ya yerle\u015fmi\u015f olan Guryal\u0131lar ve Acarlar, Lazlar\u0131n Megrellerin ana yap\u0131s\u0131ndan kopmas\u0131nda sorumlulu\u011fu olan halkt\u0131r.\u201d (Peter Gold\/ Frank J. Gillis, \u0130ndiana \u00dcniversitesi, Geleneksel M\u00fczik Folklar Enstit\u00fcs\u00fc Ar\u015fivi, ABD)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Soru 2<\/strong>) \u201cG\u00fcneyden gelen d\u00fc\u015fman ak\u0131nlar\u0131ndan ka\u00e7an Guryal\u0131 G\u00fcrc\u00fcler, Laz- Megrel topraklar\u0131n\u0131n orta beline y\u00fcklenerek \u00fclkeyi ikiye b\u00f6ld\u00fcler. B\u00f6ylece Laz- Megrel birli\u011fi s\u0131\u011f\u0131nmac\u0131 G\u00fcrc\u00fcler taraf\u0131ndan par\u00e7alanm\u0131\u015f oldu.\u201d (Zakaria La\u015fkara\u015fvili, (\u00c7eviren: Hayri Hayrio\u011flu), \u201cY\u00fczy\u0131l \u00d6nce \u00c7\u0306aneti, Ogni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi, Say\u0131 1). E\u011fer Megrel-Lazlar, sizin iddian\u0131za g\u00f6re; G\u00fcrc\u00fc ise nas\u0131l oluyor da G\u00fcrc\u00fcler G\u00fcrc\u00fc olan(!) Laz- Megrel birli\u011fini par\u00e7alayabiliyorlar?<\/p>\n<p>\u201cKendilerini \u201cayd\u0131n\u201d zanneden baz\u0131 G\u00fcrc\u00fc dostlar\u0131n(!) ne yaz\u0131k ki, kendi tarih ve co\u011frafyalar\u0131n\u0131 bilmedikleri ortaya \u00e7\u0131k\u0131yor\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Soru 3<\/strong>) En eski destan\u00ee Kartel (\u0130berya\/ G\u00fcrcistan) tarihi say\u0131lan \u201c\u10e5\u10d0\u10e0\u10d7\u10da\u10d8\u10e1 \u10ea\u10ee\u10dd\u10d5\u10e0\u10d4\u10d1\u10d0\/ Kartlis Tskhovreba\u201ddan haberiniz var m\u0131? Bak\u0131n sizin kendi destan\u0131n\u0131z neler diyor: \u201cAd\u0131 ge\u00e7en kayna\u011fa g\u00f6re, (bu) sekiz karde\u015fin her biri, kendi \u00fclkesindeki kavmin ulu atas\u0131 olmu\u015ftur ve asl\u0131 vaktiyle Yunanca yaz\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131ndan \u201cos\u201d soneki kat\u0131lan adlar\u0131 ya\u015f s\u0131ralamas\u0131na g\u00f6re \u015f\u00f6yledir:<\/p>\n<p>1- Hayos (kendilerine \u201cHay\u201d diyen Ermenilerin atas\u0131,<br \/>\n2- Kartlos (Tiflis ili b\u00f6lgesindeki \u201cKartel\/ Kartvel\u201d \u0130ber\/G\u00fcrc\u00fclerin atas\u0131,<br \/>\n3- Bardos (Gence\/ Barda\/ Berde b\u00f6lgesindeki Aran\/Karaba\u011f Sakalar\u0131),<br \/>\n4- Movakan (Mugan \u00e7\u00f6l\u00fcne ad veren \u015eirvan\u2019daki Albanlar\/ Sakalar),<br \/>\n5- Heros (Tiflis ili do\u011fusunda ve K\u00fcr nehrinin solundaki \u201c\u0130ki-Alazan\u201d sular\u0131\/ \u015fimdiki Alazan-Yor aras\u0131na \u201cHeret\u201d=Her yurdu ad\u0131n\u0131 verdiren kavmin ki, sonradan \u201cKakhet\u201d denilmi\u015ftir),<br \/>\n6- Egros (Karadeniz\u2019in g\u00fcneydo\u011fu k\u0131y\u0131s\u0131nda, adlar\u0131 Eger\/ Eker \/A\u00e7ar \/Acara\u2019da ya\u015fayan kavmin atas\u0131),<br \/>\n7- Lekos (Da\u011f\u0131stan\u2019daki Lak\/ Legan\/ Lekez\u0131\/ Lekzi\u201d ve bundan bozma \u201cLezgi\u201d de denilen kolun atas\u0131),<br \/>\n8- Kavkas (Koban\/ Kuban) \u0131rma\u011f\u0131 boyundaki \u00c7erkeslerin ulu atas\u0131).<\/p>\n<p>Yukar\u0131da atalar\u0131n her birinin farkl\u0131 kavim ulu atas\u0131 oldu\u011fu fikrini benimsiyor musunuz? En eski ve destan\u00ee Kartel (\u0130berya\/ G\u00fcrcistan) tarihi Ermenileri, G\u00fcrc\u00fcleri, Lezgileri, \u00c7erkesleri, Megrelleri ve di\u011ferlerini farkl\u0131 kavimler olarak anlatmas\u0131na ra\u011fmen, siz nas\u0131l oluyor da atalar\u0131 Egros olarak g\u00f6sterilen Megrel-Lazlar\u0131, G\u00fcrc\u00fc sayabiliyorsunuz? Bu mant\u0131kla Ermenileri, Lezgileri, \u00c7erkesleri de G\u00fcrc\u00fc sayman\u0131z gerekmez mi? Bu destan\u00ee tarihinizi okumad\u0131n\u0131z m\u0131? Yoksa \u201ctarihiniz\u201d yalan m\u0131 yaz\u0131yor? Bu \u201cdestan\u0131n\u0131z\u0131\u201d yay\u0131mlamay\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyor musunuz?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Soru 4<\/strong>) Abhazya\u2019daki n\u00fcfus kay\u0131tlar\u0131na 1926 n\u00fcfus say\u0131mlar\u0131na kadar \u201cMegrel- Laz\u201d olarak ge\u00e7en insanlar neden 1939 n\u00fcfus say\u0131mlar\u0131ndan itibaren kay\u0131tlara \u201cG\u00fcrc\u00fc\u201d olarak ge\u00e7irildi? E\u011fer bu insanlar sizin iddialar\u0131n\u0131za g\u00f6re; \u201cG\u00fcrc\u00fc\u201d idiyseler neden daha \u00f6nceki n\u00fcfus kay\u0131tlar\u0131na \u201cMegrel- Laz\u201d olarak ge\u00e7irildiler?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Soru 5<\/strong>) Laz Alfabesine \u00e7ok tepki g\u00f6steriyorsunuz. Oysa bilmedi\u011finiz bir ger\u00e7ek var: 1929 y\u0131l\u0131nda Laz Alfabesiyle Lazca olarak \u10e1\u10dd\u10ee\u10e3\u10db\u10d8\/ Sohum\u2019da \u201c\u10db\u10ed\u10d8\u10d7\u10d0 \u10db\u10e3\u10e0\u10e3\u10dc\u10ec\u10ee\u10d8 \/M\u00e7\u0306ita Murun\u0292xi\u201d adl\u0131 gazeteyi ve 1935 y\u0131l\u0131nda yine Lazca Alfabeyi (Alboni) Lazca e\u011fitim verilen okul \u00f6\u011frencileri i\u00e7in yay\u0131mlayan \u0130skender \u0292\u0306ita\u015fi\u2019nin ad\u0131n\u0131 hi\u00e7 duydunuz mu? Lazlar\u0131n b\u00fcy\u00fck \u015fairi ve bilim adam\u0131 \u0130skender \u0292\u0306ita\u015fi\u2019ye ne oldu\u011funu biliyor musunuz? Stalin\u2019in emri \u00fczerine \u10d8\u10e1\u10e5\u10d4\u10dc\u10d3\u10d4\u10e0 \u10ec\u10d8\u10d7\u10d0\u10e8\u10d8\/ \u0130skender \u0292\u0306ita\u015fi\u2019nin 1938\u2019de katledildi\u011fi iddialar\u0131na ne diyorsunuz?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Soru 6<\/strong>) 1949\u2019larda hi\u00e7bir neden yokken Kazakistan\u2019a s\u00fcr\u00fclen ve yollarda katledilen Lazlardan haberiniz var m\u0131? Bu olay\u0131 ara\u015ft\u0131r\u0131p bu insanlar\u0131n haklar\u0131n\u0131 aramay\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyor musunuz?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Soru 7<\/strong>) 1989 y\u0131l\u0131nda Abhaz Televizyonuna \u00e7\u0131kan ve \u00f6zetle Megrel- Lazlar\u0131n G\u00fcrc\u00fc olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 a\u00e7\u0131klayan Megrel-Laz Nugzar Dzhodzhua\u2019ya ne oldu\u011funu biliyor musunuz?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Soru 8<\/strong>) G\u00fcrc\u00fc resm\u00ee ideolojisinin ink\u00e2rc\u0131 politikas\u0131n\u0131n kana bulad\u0131\u011f\u0131 Abhazya\u2019dan ayr\u0131lmak zorunda kalan on binlerce Megrel- Laz ve G\u00fcrc\u00fc i\u00e7in neler yapmay\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorsunuz?<\/p>\n<p>Bug\u00fcn T\u00fcrkiye Cumhuriyeti s\u0131n\u0131rlar\u0131 i\u00e7inde ya\u015fayan herkesin, teoride etnik k\u00f6keni ne olursa olsun, yurtta\u015f olarak kendi k\u00fclt\u00fcrlerini ya\u015fatma hakk\u0131 vard\u0131r. Bu b\u00f6l\u00fcc\u00fcl\u00fck de\u011fil, \u00fclke b\u00fct\u00fcnl\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn\u00fcn \u201charc\u0131\u201d ve yurtta\u015f olman\u0131n gere\u011fidir. Ancak hi\u00e7 kimse \u201ck\u00fclt\u00fcr kisvesi alt\u0131nda\u201d yabanc\u0131 bir \u00fclkenin \u201cgizli servis eleman\u0131\u201d gibi \u00e7al\u0131\u015fma ayr\u0131cal\u0131\u011f\u0131na sahip de\u011fildir. Hele hele de, Lazlar\u0131 \u201cG\u00fcrc\u00fc resm\u00ee ideolojisine alet etmeye\u201d ve bunu beceremeyince de Lazlar\u0131 bir tak\u0131m Bizans oyunlar\u0131yla \u201cjurnalleyip\u201d, \u201cb\u00f6l\u00fcc\u00fc\u201d il\u00e2n etmeye hi\u00e7 kimsenin hakk\u0131 yoktur.<\/p>\n<p>[<strong>Kaynak<\/strong>: Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz (\/Lot\u0306i K\u0306olxuri\u015fi), &#8220;Baz\u0131 G\u00fcrc\u00fc Ayd\u0131nlar\u0131na (!) Kolay Sorular\u201d ,Ogni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi, Say\u0131 4, May\u0131s-Haziran 1994]<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-42857\" src=\"https:\/\/www.circassiancenter.com\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/BAZI-GURCU-AYDINLARINA-KOLAY-SORULAR-d.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"667\" height=\"650\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.circassiancenter.com\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/BAZI-GURCU-AYDINLARINA-KOLAY-SORULAR-d.jpg 320w, https:\/\/www.circassiancenter.com\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/BAZI-GURCU-AYDINLARINA-KOLAY-SORULAR-d-300x293.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 667px) 100vw, 667px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>[<strong>\u00d6nerilen okumalar<\/strong>: Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz, \u201cBilin\u00e7li Olarak Geciktirilmi\u015f Bir De\u011finme\u201d, Tarih ve Toplum Dergisi\u201d, Say\u0131 161, May\u0131s 1997, \u0130leti\u015fim Yay\u0131nlar\u0131 (\u201cDo\u011fu Karadeniz\u2019de Resm\u00ee \u0130deolojiler Ku\u015fatmas\u0131, 1. Bask\u0131, Sorun Yay\u0131nlar\u0131, 2003; 2. Bask\u0131, Belge Yay\u0131nlar\u0131, \u0130stanbul, 2011)\/ circassiancenter.com.tr; Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz, &#8220;2002 Y\u0131l\u0131 \u0130tibar\u0131yla Lazca ve Lazlarla \u0130lgili Baz\u0131 Yay\u0131nlar&#8221;, lazuri.com\/ circassiancenter.com.tr, 2002; Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz, \u201cDemagoji uzmanlar\u0131\u201d, !\u201d, 05. VI. 2002, (\u201cDo\u011fu Karadeniz\u2019de Resm\u00ee \u0130deolojiler Ku\u015fatmas\u0131, 1. Bask\u0131, Sorun Yay\u0131nlar\u0131, 2003; 2. Bask\u0131, Belge Yay\u0131nlar\u0131, \u0130stanbul, 2011)\/ circassiancenter.com.tr; Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz, \u201cHayri Hayrio\u011flu\u2019nun Ard\u0131ndan\u201d, (\u201cLaz Ayd\u0131nlar\u0131 ve Sorumluluk\u201d, Sorun Yay\u0131nlar\u0131, \u0130stanbul, 2011), \/ yusufbulut.com\/ circassiancenter.com.tr, 5. VII. 2011; Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz,\u00a0 \u201cAhmet \u00d6zkan Mela\u015fvili ve Hayri Hayrio\u011flu\u2019yu And\u0131k!\u201d (\u201cLaz Ayd\u0131nlar\u0131 ve Sorumluluk\u201d, Sorun Yay\u0131nlar\u0131, \u0130stanbul, 2011)\/ yusufbulut.com\/ circassiancenter.com.tr, 4- 5. VII. 2011); Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz, \u201cOgni\u201d ba\u015far\u0131s\u0131z oldu mu?!\u201d, yusufbulut.com\/ sonhaber.ch\/ circassiancenter.com.tr;12 IX 2013; Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz, \u201cHayri Hayrio\u011flu\u201d, (\u201cDil-Tarih- K\u00fclt\u00fcr- Gelenekleriyle Lazlar\u201d, 2. Bask\u0131, Belge Yay\u0131nlar\u0131, \u0130stanbul, 2014)\/ circassiancenter.com.tr, 26. V. 2006; Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz, \u201cAhmet \u00d6zkan Mela\u015fvili\u2019yi kim \u00f6ld\u00fcrd\u00fc?\u201d, sonhaber.ch\/ circassiancenter.com.tr, 09. VII, 2020; Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz, &#8220;\u0130\u00e7indekilerle \u2018Ogni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi\u2019 (1993-1994)&#8221;, sonhaber.ch\/ circassiancenter.com.tr, 12. XI. 2020; Givi G. Kar\u00e7ava: \u201cMegrel mutfa\u011f\u0131, d\u00fcnyan\u0131n \u00e7ok zengin mutfaklar\u0131ndan biri!\u201d, sonhaber.ch\/ circassiancenter.com.tr, 27. IV. 2021; \u201cKartlis Tshovreba\/ \u10e5\u10d0\u10e0\u10d7\u10da\u10d8\u10e1 \u10ea\u10ee\u10dd\u10d5\u10e0\u10d4\u10d1\u10d0\u201d, tr wikipedia.org; Mustafa Yakut (Him\u015fia\u015fvili), \u201cG\u00fcrc\u00fcceyi Nerden Biliyorsun?\u201d, \u00c7veneburi K\u00fclt\u00fcrel Dergi, Say\u0131 1(8), Ocak- \u015eubat 1993, Bude Ltd. \u015eti., Bursa; Nugzar Dzhodzhua, (\u00c7eviren: Ali \u0130hsan Aksamaz), \u201cBen Bir Megrel\u2019im\u201d, Ogni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi, Say\u0131 6, 1994\/ kolkhoba.org\/ circassiancenter.com.tr; \u015eemseddin Sami, (\u00c7evirim yaz\u0131. Fahrettin \u00c7ilo\u011flu), \u201cK\u00e2m\u00fcs-ul Alam, Lazlar ve Lazistan, Ogni K\u00fclt\u00fcr Dergisi, Say\u0131 2, Ocak 1994; Zakaria La\u015fkara\u015fvili, (\u00c7eviren: Hayri Hayrio\u011flu), \u201cY\u00fczy\u0131l \u00d6nce \u00c7\u0306aneti, Ogni Dergisi, Say\u0131 1]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ali &#304;hsan Aksamaz &ldquo;Laz Dilini ve K&uuml;lt&uuml;r&uuml;n&uuml; Ara&#351;t&#305;rma Vakf&#305;&rdquo; &ccedil;al&#305;&#351;malar&#305; ve &ldquo;Ogni K&uuml;lt&uuml;r Dergisi&rdquo;nin yay&#305;m&#305; baz&#305; G&uuml;rc&uuml; ayd&#305;nlar&#305;n&#305;(!) &uuml;rk&uuml;tm&uuml;&#351;e benziyor. Bu ayd&#305;nlar&#305;n(!) &uuml;rkmesi acaba nereden kaynaklan&#305;yor? Dillerini, k&uuml;lt&uuml;rlerini ya&#351;atmak ve tarihlerini ara&#351;t&#305;rmak isteyen Lazlar neden baz&#305; G&uuml;rc&uuml; ayd&#305;nlar&#305;n&#305;(!) korkutuyor? Ger&ccedil;ek g&uuml;n gibi a&ccedil;&#305;k: Lazlar, &ldquo;G&uuml;rc&uuml;&rsquo;s&uuml;n&uuml;z&rdquo; dayatmas&#305;n&#305; kabul etmeyecekler ve s&#305;n&#305;r&#305;n &ouml;te yakas&#305;ndaki Megrel- Laz karde&#351;lerine 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